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Which sees are we talking about?Not to keep arguing but there was a split of catholic’s…Catholics in Rome are separate from the catholics in the rest of the sees…
Which sees are we talking about?Not to keep arguing but there was a split of catholic’s…Catholics in Rome are separate from the catholics in the rest of the sees…
I know you see it as their split…And you see a line of popes…Either way, all catholics Rome see and the rest, were in one accord when it was put together…It just wasn’t the Rome see doing the job or taking the credit…OK I’m doneYou see that they have split away, but the line still continues in Rome - still reaching back to St. Peter without any breaks - and remains unbroken even until now.
Who wrote catholic history?From 33 AD onwards there was only the Catholic Church. Since the books of the NT were written prior to 100AD, therefore all these were written within the Church by Catholics. Yes, surprise, surprise, St Paul was (is) Catholic.
Since not every single baptized person are deemed inspired by the Holy Spirit, this is when the Church decided that they must form a canon. The canon is not only significant for what it included but for what it excluded as well.
That we know that Marcion’s canon is heretical is thanks to the Catholic Church.
Yes, they were. Disheartening isn’t it?
I don’t think they claim that Abraham was a moslem. They consider Abraham as their Father and rightly so, since the moslems trace themselves back to Ishamel.
Oh but they are not empty claims. Historical data is available.
No we don’t. That is what is so marvelous. God provided even for that so that we will know which is His true Church.
Aye, aye to that. But if you are really serious about following Jesus, you will take Him at His word, ALL OF IT and not just the ones that suit you.
So again, read the Gospels and believe in what He says.
And if you are truly sticking wtih Jesus, then you will stick with the Pope as well. But you are not really sticking with Jesus. You are sticking to yourself, I/Me/Myself/Mosacked.
Actually, the Romans DID ‘decide’ the symbol of our redemption since it was their method of execution that the cross comes to us. They could have just fed Him to the lions, or simply put Him to death by any of their infamous methods. Sure, God knew what was to come and USED the worst Roman method to mean something good.Did not the Romans instil in many the symbol of the cross by putting Christ on it? So, are we to THANK the Romans for crucifying Jesus and helping us redeem ourselves through the crucifixion??
Nice try to validate the rubbish you peddle by mixing in more smoke and rubbish.I think you are getting your priorities reversed.
God’s will must be done, whether it is by you or by your enemies. It is totally nonsensical to claim credit for a book written by God Himself.
“Whoever is not against you is for you”.
DankeDeconi, I love your signature.
" All matter have mass?! The universe is catholic?! "![]()
You’re actually on song, Hiskid. The only problem is the “Rome” thing!I know you see it as their split…And you see a line of popes…Either way, all catholics Rome see and the rest, were in one accord when it was put together…It just wasn’t the Rome see doing the job or taking the credit…OK I’m done
It 'gave us" neither.
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Thank you for setting the record straight
Actually you are both wrong.Sure.
Is this what you are reduced to when you don’t have an intelligient rebuttal on hand?Drink Kool-Aide much?![]()
Here is a timeline of the Catholic Church from Pentecost until 500AD. From the very beginning there is only one Catholic Church.No problems here…unless you try and say those catholic christians were Roman Catholic Christians.
Why are you so afraid of the truth? If you are sure that we are wrong you will not afraid to read what jmcrae listed.Dont waste your time. Your documents do not say what you say they do. Nor are they written at the time of the Apostles. So have another drink.
But the Roman see had pre-eminence even then. But you are right, all the sees. There was only one Catholic Church then.I think a lot agree it was the catholic church as in all the sees and not just your roman see…
To clarify that rebuke. Paul’s rebuke did not mean that he was somehow better than Peter. What he was doing was taking Peter to task by not following through with what he (Peter) received in a revelation.Yes I know , but the way some say it that it all came from your roman catholic see now …There’s a bit of differance form what the Rome see teaches from back when they were together…I don’t deny there were bishop of bishops BUT they were still together and accountable to each other. Just like when your pope Peter was rebuked…Think of what was said when they were arguing I’m of Paul, I’m of Appolos…
You know, I’m really curious
If Matthew, Mark, Luke, John etc. were not Catholic Christians what were they?
Catholic - universal.
As far as the “Roman” part goes, that “addition” was TACKED ON to us by Protestants. While the terminology is used (even by us, often because we live or work in countries that are Protestant and have applied the terminology and dinned it into everyone’s head) and partly because it’s in charity to our Protestant brothers who have grown accustomed to it and wouldn’t recognize us if we DIDN’T call ourselves Roman, it is NOT the ‘official’ name of the Church.
**The official name (please go to the Vatican web site if you don’t believe me) is “The Catholic Church”. **
Maan google a little bit will you. Your ignorance is beginning to get exasperating.Who wrote catholic history?
The catholics.
Who says the catholic system was handed down by Peter?
The catholics.
Who says the apostles were Catholics?
The catholics.
No facts, petal, facts. Okay, get a book called European History for dummies. That was not written by a Catholic.NOTICE something there? Its just YOU. Its just what YOU claim. You can accuse us of not following YOUR history, you can accuse us of not following the Pope that YOU designated, and you can accuse us of not recognizing the apostles as catholics as YOU labeled them.
Its just YOU, and your own perception.
No you are not. As I mentioned before you are sticking by yourself because you persistently and purposely ignore anything that He said that doesn’t jive with the belief of the almighty mosacked.So…Yes, I am sticking with Jesus, and I’m not about to extend that embrace to anyone else that YOU claim is representative.
As I have said before if you will do a bit of reading then you will know what I mean. Please go get started. It really is not that hard.Because everything that you claim is really just YOU.
And the Truth who is Christ, built a Church which is the foundation of Truth.“I am the Truth, the Way and the Life. NO man goes to the Father except through me” - Jesus.
If you will only take my advice and read you will not be this ignorant.
- If you only knew the Holy Ghost. You wouldn’t be a catholic.
Which brings us to the question that no one has ever been able to answer:
- If you only knew the Holy Ghost. You wouldn’t be a catholic.

Firstly, I believe Jesus established the church, but its NOT a physical church, its a spiritual church. That church is found all across the world and across denominations. It is not THE catholic church NOR THE Lutherans, NOR THE protestants etc etc.Maan google a little bit will you. Your ignorance is beginning to get exasperating.
No facts, petal, facts. Okay, get a book called European History for dummies. That was not written by a Catholic.
In this day and age of the internet, there is no excuse for that level of ignorance especially when you are posting.
No you are not. As I mentioned before you are sticking by yourself because you persistently and purposely ignore anything that He said that doesn’t jive with the belief of the almighty mosacked.
As I have said before if you will do a bit of reading then you will know what I mean. Please go get started. It really is not that hard.
And the Truth who is Christ, built a Church which is the foundation of Truth.And yes, you can find that in the Bible/
If you will only take my advice and read you will not be this ignorant.
Boy are you way out of the ball park! What do you read in Matthew 16:18-19? If that is not a physical Church then what is it? We, the Church do worship Him in truth and spirit.Firstly, I believe Jesus established the church, but its NOT a physical church, its a spiritual church. That church is found all across the world and across denominations. It is not THE catholic church NOR THE Lutherans, NOR THE protestants etc etc.
Just think…today there are tons of ‘bad news’ coming from the Catholics, and not just today…history too has loads of it. IF…just assuming IF…it is the system and the sacraments themselves that saves and NOT the person’s obedience, personal and direct relationship with God. Then instead of letting those who obey God to enter the heavenly kingdom, the heaven that we talk about will have loads of…‘sexual offenders’.
NOW…Jesus said, those who belong to Him will worship in Truth and Spirit. Not through purgatories & sacraments.
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- Want to know why I don’t believe? Because to me, it is outrageous to think that I need to go through somebody else to reach my Father, when my Father is with me all this while.
