The Catholic church did not give us the Bible

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charsan2 said:
So your the boss now. There was nothing wrong with what I said, it was and remains a dumb question.
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As you wish.

Continue to talk this way and you will not be here very long.

Too bad! I know that all your questions about Catholicism would be answered quite readily and quite satisfactorily were you to remain here.

BTW, if you’re going to be rude and sarcastic, it’s better to do it *correctly. *Especially when you’re talking about “dumb”. 😛

3rd grade grammar: you should review your and you’re. Also, how to avoid run-on sentences could be reviewed! [SIGN]That way it doesn’t make the writer appear so “dumb”. [/SIGN]
 
You are the reason I would not want to be Catholic. With rude people like you who needs that.
 
charsan2 said:
You are the reason I would not want to be Catholic. With rude people like you who needs that.
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[SIGN]Much improved, charsan (grammatically, that is!)[/SIGN] There’s just one teeny punctuation error.

Now, let’s get on to our discussion. 👍

(I hope you don’t find this question too “dumb”)

Just so we understand you: you are agreeing that Sacred Tradition determined what Sacred Scriptures would be included in the Bible, right?
 
charsan2 said:
No
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Aw, come on now, charsan!

Let’s discuss!

You posted this:
[SIGN]The Holy Spirit guided the early Christians which books were and were not to be included[/SIGN]

The Catholics just call this “Sacred Tradition”. Why would you have a problem with that? 🤷
 
PRmerger said:
Aw, come on now, charsan!

Let’s discuss!

You posted this:
[sign]The Holy Spirit guided the early Christians which books were and were not to be included[/sign]

The Catholics just call this “Sacred Tradition”. Why would you have a problem with that? 🤷
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Because it’s not. Nothing to do with Tradition, it was all God
 
PRmerger said:
That’s very Catholic of you to say that, charsan!

Yes, indeed, it was all God. We just give it a name: [sign]Sacred Tradition.[/sign]

Just like Sacred Scripture[sign] is all God![/sign]
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Nope, just don’t believe your stories. By the way, not Catholic of me but Christian of me
 
eccles said:
“Whether you like it or not. The Catholic Church was established by Christ”

Let us be correct here. The CATHOLIC Church was not established by Christ. It was established at the Council of Nicea 325CE chaired by Constantine I to be known as the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church and to be the one and only official Religion of the Roman Empire. Even the Catholic Encyclopaedia mentions that.
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That’s when it became a legal religion in the Roman Empire. But it had been going on since the time of Christ, before that. Or are you about to claim that Constantine invented the stories of Christ, and forged several hundred sermons and letters of the Early Fathers, as well? 🤷
Jesus the Nazarene began Christianity, or to be more correct, Saul - St. Paul. Forget the “Thou art Peter the Rock” etc. The unknown authors of the Gospels that were not written earlier than 40 years after the Crucifixion did not hear Jesus say that. Hearsay evidence is not admissable in a Court of Law.
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The authors of the Gospels are known - Matthew was the tax collector converted by Christ while at his tax collecting booth. It is in his Gospel that we read these words, and yes, he was present at both of the events where Christ established Peter as head of the Church. Mark was secretary to Peter, because Peter could not read or write. Luke was a convert of St. Paul, when he was in Greece. John Zebedee was the youngest of the disciples, and the only one to die of old age. As one of the first four disciples called by Christ, he was present for Christ’s entire ministry - he witnessed the whole thing.
 
charsan2 said:
Nope, just don’t believe your stories. By the way, not Catholic of me but Christian of me
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I suppose if you had a good argument to present to contradict my stories, you would have presented it by now. 🤷

Oh, well! I was looking forward to a reasoned dialogue.

The Holy Spirit gave the “early Christians” (that is, Christians who prayed to saints, baptized infants, believed in the Eucharist) the Bible. We call that Sacred Tradition. 👍

You would not know what the Bible is were it not for the CC. It was the CC that said to include the Gospel of John but exclude the Gospel of Thomas.
 
Sacred tradition dictates what is and is not cononical and in the Bible. A Council of hte Universal Church decided which books were canonical. That is not theology or philosophy. That is demonstrable history.

Quite simply what is in the Bible is what the leaders of the Universal church decided would be. Had they excluded EG The Gospel of Mark then the Gospel of Mark would not be Canonical. This is history.
 
PRmerger said:
You would not know what the Bible is were it not for the CC. It was the CC that said to include the Gospel of John but exclude the Gospel of Thomas.
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Maybe in your church only but not in mine or others. The RCC did not give anyone the Bible, they merely said this or that book would be in their version of the Bible. Also the early Christian not catholic nor believed in any silliness like the modern RCC
 
charsan2 said:
Maybe in your church only but not in mine or others. The RCC did not give anyone the Bible, they merely said this or that book would be in their version of the Bible. Also the early Christian not catholic nor believed in any silliness like the modern RCC
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Good, charsan! You’re expanding your arguments.

Now, let’s have you back them up.

I provided evidence of the early Church having bishops, venerating Mary, practicing infant baptisms, believing in the Eucharist.

Now, you show me *your *evidence that the early Christian church practiced the way *your *church practices. Something from 4th century writings would be good. Maybe something even as late as the 12th century? There should be lots of available data for you to provide some good, solid sources.
 
PRmerger said:
Good, charsan! You’re expanding your arguments.

Now, let’s have you back them up.

I provided evidence of the early Church having bishops, venerating Mary, practicing infant baptisms, believing in the Eucharist.

Now, you show me *your *evidence that the early Christian church practiced the way *your *church practices. Something from 4th century writings would be good. Maybe something even as late as the 12th century? There should be lots of available data for you to provide some good, solid sources.
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I don’t care what they did, it doesn’t mean anything to me. Be stuck in the past it’s your choice, I will follow Scripture.
 
charsan2 said:
I don’t care what they did, it doesn’t mean anything to me. Be stuck in the past it’s your choice, I will follow Scripture.
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Oh. disappointed.

I thought that you were going to be able to prove that these “early Christians” were *not *Catholic.

So, I’ve provided evidence that these ECs believed what Catholics do today.

[SIGN]You’ve provided nothing contrary[/SIGN] despite being given an opportunity to do so.

So we can conclude that it was indeed the Catholic Church which gave us the Bible! :extrahappy:
 
PRmerger said:
Oh. disappointed.

I thought that you were going to be able to prove that these “early Christians” were *not *Catholic.

So, I’ve provided evidence that these ECs believed what Catholics do today.

[sign]You’ve provided nothing contrary[/sign] despite being given an opportunity to do so.

So we can conclude that it was indeed the Catholic Church which gave us the Bible! :extrahappy:
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No that is being down right stupid. The RCC did not give anyone God’s Word on ignore you go.
 
charsan2 said:
No that is being down right stupid. The RCC did not give anyone God’s Word on ignore you go.
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Well, then, good. I get to get the last word.

The opportunity has been given to provide some kind of evidence that contradicts my position. But the response has been resoundingly…weak.

I think the posts above speak for themselves.

It was the early church–who practiced praying to saints, infant baptisms, etc etc etc–that gave us the Bible.
 
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