The Catholic Church is just another denomination

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I’ll pray for you because you are miles and miles from the fullness of the Catholic Faith.

Best to you.

Iowa Mike
Your hypocrisy - a favourite subject of Christ’s contempt - is a disgrace to your faith, your religion, your Church, and yourself.

Hast thou not known? Hast thou not heard? That the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? There is no searching of his understanding.

He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might, he increaseth strength. Even the youths shall faint and be weary; and the young men shall utterly fall.

But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run and not be weary; and they shall walk and not be weak.

(Isaiah 40:31)
 
Your knowledge of Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, Quakers, United Churches, World Council of Churches is non-existent. RCC has negotiated with WCC over forty years: even Vatican takes reformed churches seriously. You cannot with conscience caricature the churches of fellow Christians any longer.
Sure he can! A person with an uninformed and poorly developed conscience can be as bigoted, prejudiced, and narrow minded as he can manage! Aside from the matter of conscience, there is the matter of the intellect being uninformed, and therefore, it is likely that statement will be made that are permeated with ignorance.
I am a Christian who walks with Christ. I have a profound distaste for the uninformed caricature of mainline Christianity you perpetuate: it serves no purpose and simply demonstrates ignorance and bigotry.
Perhaps this is an apolstolate to which you have been called? Because you experience this so intensely, it puts you in a better position to pray for healing.
We do differ. In RCC, **Eucharist **is central to the service. Elsewhere, the **sermon **is the core of the service, when minister and congregation contemplate Christ’s life and what it means for us today. It does not matter how often we take communion, or whether we use bread and wine/juice for a symbolic communion. This is simply none of your business, as far as I know: you have chosen your rite, we have chosen ours.
Well, now you sound like you are getting defensive. In the same post you have accused your reader of ignorance, and now you are saying “it is none of your business”? It seems to me that, in order to have a better appreciation for the gifts and sanctity of the separated brethren, the reader should MAKE it his business!
What matters is that we make an effort at every service to understand the true nature of Christianity in daily life, and in one’s relationship with Christ. That’s the difference in priority perhaps.
I don’t think this is the difference in priority. Rather, I think it is a difference in methodology. Catholics have been taught that by participating in the Real Presence, we bring the Real Presence of Christ into the world. Protestants have been taught that, once the Word is living within, then one can become Word to the world. Same mission, different methods.
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Much that is false or misleading has been written on this thread about Baptists. I will give you hard facts.
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If this is important for you, go where you get His flesh and blood. For me this is not important: I must live daily as a Christian, reflect as best I can His lovingkindness, compassion, grace, courage and strength, forgiveness and guidance. That is where I am at. You are where you are at.
What if it is more important to God that Catholics learn their Word better, and make better application of their faith to daily life? What if it is more important to God that you receive His real presence?
I suspect Christ would be shamed.
I think Christ is put to shame by our divisions. We do not live out His word to manifest Him to the world by our unity.
 
Sure he can! A person with an uninformed and poorly developed conscience can be as bigoted, prejudiced, and narrow minded as he can manage! Aside from the matter of conscience, there is the matter of the intellect being uninformed, and therefore, it is likely that statements will be made that are permeated with ignorance.
It’s a she. And we could well do without further ignorance which does not help us to understand one another. Before making a statement, we all need to make sure we have facts, not just hearsay or gossip or personal bias, or a personal lock on the ‘Absolute Truth’.
Perhaps this is an apostolate to which you have been called? … it puts you in a better position to pray for healing.
Healing who? No apostolate: I want to be in seclusion, a contemplative. The world is too much with us.
Well, now you sound like you are getting defensive. In the same post you have accused your reader of ignorance, and now you are saying “it is none of your business”? It seems to me that, in order to have a better appreciation for the gifts and sanctity of the separated brethren, the reader should MAKE it his business!
I have no reason to be defensive. But I agree all of us should make an effort to know what we freely express opinions about. I am ashamed that I grew up in a Jewish community but never attended Jewish service. I was amazed later how I could grow when I literally looked into the structures (material and spiritual) of other faiths.

I further intended to infer that OP is not obliged to query my choice of faith. I make my own choice, as you make yours.
I think it is a difference in methodology. Catholics have been taught that by participating in the Real Presence, we bring the Real Presence of Christ into the world. Protestants have been taught that, once the Word is living within, one can become Word to the world. Same mission, different methods.
Not quite. This thread for example will not be moved to a consideration of the Christian life.

On the other hand, a United Church of Canada minister will take as his focus the Christian life and how it plays out in practice. Eucharist is a rite; sermon is a contemplation, a discussion. I have been told, on this Forum, that it is not Christ’s example that is important, but His flesh and blood. I cannot agree.
What if it is more important to God that Catholics learn their Word better, and make better application of their faith to daily life? What if it is more important to God that you receive His real presence?
If your first sentence suggests that *all *Christians need to know their Word better, and make better application of faith to life, I agree. I believe that is what God wishes. That is what I have been taught, and that is what my adult experience, prayer and reading tell me.

With reference to your second sentence, that is not my belief. That is not what I understand God intends for each and every one of us. I have tried to suggest that some Christians *need **to cling to rites like transubstantiation and the Eucharist, and others do not. You would not enjoy sitting through a two hour sermon - although our ministers are getting better vis a vis length.

Receiving the Real Presence, as I understand it, means recognising that Christ died to redeem us from sin. That means putting our focus on life everlasting, guarantee of heaven’s delights, resurrection of the body. Lots of Christians are concerned about these matters. I am not: I am concerned about humanity in this life, in this day, in each day I am given.
I think Christ is put to shame by our divisions. We do not live out His word to manifest Him to the world by our unity.
I agree with you utterly. But both Grace Seeker (Methodist, on RCC Supreme) and your humble servant have done our best (GS much better than I), with not much coming from the other side it seems to me except shame, ridicule, and various commandments to return to face the Absolute Truth.

That is why I am tempted to say we must agree to disagree, that what I do is my choice, what the other does is his/her choice and that they are all equally acceptable in the sight of God. I was not taught to dislike or be afraid of or hate Catholics. That is why I can contemplate a conversion now. Or why I might have done so.

Christ said He who believeth in me shall not perish but have everlasting life. * He did not say, if you are a Catholic you will go to heaven, or if you are a Baptist you will go to hell. He simply said, if you believe in me, I will hold you safe in my arms forever. That is enough.
 
Christ said *He who believeth in me shall not perish but have everlasting life. *He did not say, if you are a Catholic you will go to heaven, or if you are a Baptist you will go to hell. He simply said, if you believe in me, I will hold you safe in my arms forever. That is enough.
So if you or anyone chooses to dis-believe the words in John 6, … what is your fate?

If you walk away because of the hard saying, and Jesus will let you, where do you walk to???

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Grace Seeker, it looks like RNRobert already offered a well-thought answer for you. I would only add:
  1. St. Paul actually recognizes Peter’s leadership, when using phrases like “to his face…”.
  2. St. Peter never argued with Paul. He seems to have humbly acknowledged his personal shortcoming.
  3. St. Paul was baptized, like any other good Christian of the day. (Acts 9:18)
  4. St. Paul had hands laid on him by the Church, before he laid hands on any others. (Acts 13:3)
  5. St. Paul was “sent” by the Church, on several occasions. (Acts 9:30, Acts 11:30, again Acts 13:3, Acts 15:3, Acts 15:25)
and one more for dessert…
  1. St. Paul was given, directly by Jesus, knowledge of the Eucharistic events on Holy Thursday. (1 Cor 11:23)
Evidently, His Eucharist was going to be so important for His Church, that Jesus taught Paul about it directly… wow!

I think these points are often overlooked, even by some within the Church.

God Bless Us All!
Where in scripture does Paul recognize Peter’s leadership?
Who baptized Paul and when did this happen?
And, where in scripture exactly does Jesus tell Paul about the eucharist?

This verse says nothing about the eucharist.

1Cr 11:23
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the [same] night in which he was betrayed took bread:
 
Who baptized Paul and when did this happen?
And, where in scripture exactly does Jesus tell Paul about the eucharist?
After Paul tells the Church that it will “need” heretics and their teachings to actually strengthen the beliefs of the Church (1Cor 11:19), St Paul goes on to teach the proper reception and understanding of the Eucharist… and the damnation for abusing the Real Presence.

If you need to see exactly where each Truth is taught by Jesus in the Scriptures… you will soon become aware that Scripture is NOT the sole rule of Authority.

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Where in scripture does Paul recognize Peter’s leadership?
Who baptized Paul and when did this happen?
And, where in scripture exactly does Jesus tell Paul about the eucharist?

This verse says nothing about the eucharist.

1Cr 11:23
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the [same] night in which he was betrayed took bread:
Where in Scripture does St Peter recognize St Paul’s primacy??

It is ALL about the Eucharist…
 
So if you or anyone chooses to dis-believe the words in John 6, … what is your fate?

If you walk away because of the hard saying, and Jesus will let you, where do you walk to???

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I believe John 6 but not according to your denomination’s interpretation.

You either believe God or you don’t. What do you think your fate will be if you disbelieve God?
 
After Paul tells the Church that it will “need” heretics and their teachings to actually strengthen the beliefs of the Church (1Cor 11:19), St Paul goes on to teach the proper reception and understanding of the Eucharist… and the damnation for abusing the Real Presence.

If you need to see exactly where each Truth is taught by Jesus in the Scriptures… you will soon become aware that Scripture is NOT the sole rule of Authority.

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Believing on Jesus and repentance is the only way to be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Here’s what 1Corinthians 11:19 says. Notice it says nothing about the eucharist.

1Cr 11:19
For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

I forgot to add…

Scripture is the sole authority.
 
Where in Scripture does St Peter recognize St Paul’s primacy??

It is ALL about the Eucharist…
Again, WHERE in scripture does St Peter recognize St Paul primacy?

“It is ALL about the Eucharist…” where is this in scripture?
 
I’ll pray for you because you are miles and miles from the fullness of the Catholic Faith.

Best to you.

Iowa Mike
Be careful, Iowa Mike. This is a judgemental statement to make, and may take you toward that uncharitable end that got the other thread closed.
 
Again, WHERE in scripture does St Peter recognize St Paul primacy?

“It is ALL about the Eucharist…” where is this in scripture?
I got this backwards…

Can MrS please tell me where Paul recognizes Peter’s primacy?
 
Where in Scripture does St Peter recognize St Paul’s primacy??

It is ALL about the Eucharist…
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, **they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, **and they unto the circumcision.

The Christian church was called out of the heathens. Peter and the rest went on to the circumcision (Jews).

Gal 2:11
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Gal 2:14
But when I (Paul) saw that they (includes Peter) walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
 
Believing on Jesus and repentance is the only way to be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Here’s what 1Corinthians 11:19 says. Notice it says nothing about the eucharist.

1Cr 11:19
For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

I forgot to add…

Scripture is the sole authority.
Where does Scripture say that ???
 
Where does Scripture say that ???
Hbr 4:12
For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2Ti 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Pro 15:32
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth **reproof **getteth understanding.

Pro 15:10
Correction [is] grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: [and] he that hateth **reproof **shall die

Believe it or die. That’s authority enough.
 
Again, WHERE in scripture does St Peter recognize St Paul primacy?

“It is ALL about the Eucharist…” where is this in scripture?
As an added note to non-believers in John6…

All of Scripture is the Word of God.

The Word became Flesh and dwells among us.

Jeus is the Word of God.

All of Scripture is about the Eucharrist which is the Real Presence of God…it is one long love Story about God’s love for us…
but unless “…you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man… you have no life in you…”
 
I believe John 6 but not according to your denomination’s interpretation.

You either believe God or you don’t. What do you think your fate will be if you disbelieve God?
What “denomination” do you speak of? what interpretation is that?

I think that those who disbelieve God will not want to be in His presence, and will find themselves elsewhere.
 
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, **they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, **and they unto the circumcision.

The Christian church was called out of the heathens. Peter and the rest went on to the circumcision (Jews).

Gal 2:11
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Gal 2:14
But when I (Paul) saw that they (includes Peter) walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Sounds like good discussion to me… just like we see in all the Church Counciils… and the decisions of the councils are for all Christians in all times, and in all ages…

so listen up and obey./

By the way… St Paul did not even qualify to be one of the 12

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As an added note to non-believers in John6…

All of Scripture is the Word of God.

The Word became Flesh and dwells among us.

Jeus is the Word of God.

All of Scripture is about the Eucharrist which is the Real Presence of God…it is one long love Story about God’s love for us…
but unless “…you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man… you have no life in you…”
No, only your church says the eucharist is the real presence. You have absolutely no scriptures to support you. While you eat your wafer, I will be nourished

1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

Jesus = Living Bread (John 6:51)
Living Bread = Flesh (John 6:51)
Flesh = Meat (John 6:55)
Meat = work of God (John 4:34) Already explained.
Work of God = believe on Jesus (John 6:28-29)
Believe on Jesus = have everlasting life (Jhn 6:40) Everlasting life is the result of eating his flesh.
Living Bread = NOT AS YOUR FATHERS DID EAT MANNA, AND ARE DEAD (John 6:58)
 
Believing on Jesus and repentance is the only way to be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

"…unless you be baptized by water AND the Holy Spirit…)

Scripture is the sole authority.

Chapter and verse please… if you cannot show this opinion… which is the entire foundation of all your arguments… you have nothing to stand on.
 
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