The Catholic Church is just another denomination

[believers]

MrS:
Hbr 4:12
For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2Ti 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Pro 15:32
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth **reproof **getteth understanding.

Pro 15:10
Correction [is] grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: [and] he that hateth **reproof **shall die

Believe it or die. That’s authority enough.
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You changed the Word of God.**

Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN of water AND [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

It does not say BAPTIZED

 

[believers]

Sounds like good discussion to me… just like we see in all the Church Counciils… and the decisions of the councils are for all Christians in all times, and in all ages…

so listen up and obey./

By the way… St Paul did not even qualify to be one of the 12

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St. Paul qualified to be an apostle. He qualified to teach Christianity. He qualified to be the masterbuilder of the faith. He qualified to teach Peter how to act before gentiles when Peter was clueless for 14 years.

 

[guanophore]

No, only your church says the eucharist is the real presence. You have absolutely no scriptures to support you. While you eat your wafer, I will be nourished

1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

Jesus = Living Bread (John 6:51)
Living Bread = Flesh (John 6:51)
Flesh = Meat (John 6:55)
Meat = work of God (John 4:34) Already explained.
Work of God = believe on Jesus (John 6:28-29)
Believe on Jesus = have everlasting life (Jhn 6:40) Everlasting life is the result of eating his flesh.
Living Bread = NOT AS YOUR FATHERS DID EAT MANNA, AND ARE DEAD (John 6:58)

While you eat your wafer, I will be nourished

This is a very disrespectful thing to say to Catholics, believers. Catholics also agree that the Words of Jesus are Spirit and Life. We read and meditate on His words daily in the Office and in the Mass. However, we also take Him at His word when He said “this is my body” and “this is my blood”. If you choose not to believe what He says, that is your perogative, but I would appreciate if you would refrain from insulting others who do. If you are truly nourished in His word, then you will not allow any foul talk to come out of your mouth.

 

[believers]

This is a very disrespectful thing to say to Catholics, believers. Catholics also agree that the Words of Jesus are Spirit and Life. We read and meditate on His words daily in the Office and in the Mass. However, we also take Him at His word when He said “this is my body” and “this is my blood”. If you choose not to believe what He says, that is your perogative, but I would appreciate if you would refrain from insulting others who do. If you are truly nourished in His word, then you will not allow any foul talk to come out of your mouth.

You obviously hate reproof.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

You obviously hate reproof.

What you offered was no reproof. It was no kind of proof at all. It lacked courtesy.

 

[believers]

What you offered was no reproof. It was no kind of proof at all. It lacked courtesy.

It was reproof.

Wafer
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The word also refers to the special small round flat breads made for Anglican Holy Communion services; the word host is used in the Roman Catholic liturgy. These holy wafers often have an image of the crucified Christ imprinted on them.

 

[Aramis]

It was reproof.

Wafer
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The word also refers to the special small round flat breads made for Anglican Holy Communion services; the word host is used in the Roman Catholic liturgy. These holy wafers often have an image of the crucified Christ imprinted on them.

in 30 years of practice, and I have never seen hosts with any literal image; I’ve seen some with the chi-rho or alpha-omega glyphs on the large host, but more often than not, either no mark or just a simple cross.

 

[MrS]

St. Paul qualified to be an apostle. He qualified to teach Christianity. He qualified to be the masterbuilder of the faith. He qualified to teach Peter how to act before gentiles when Peter was clueless for 14 years.

not according to the book of Acts…

to fill the office of Judas, only two qualified… and Paul was neither.

 

[MrS]

You obviously hate reproof.

no, but we do have serious distain for misuse of our Book… The Sacred Scriptures

 

[MrS]

Believing on Jesus and repentance is the only way to be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

born again with water (baptized) and the Holy Spirit

Here’s what 1Corinthians 11:19 says. Notice it says nothing about the eucharist.

keep reading as St Paul expands on his teaching… first to acknowledge the presence of heretics… and then into the importance and need for correctness in the Eucharist

1Cr 11:19
For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

I forgot to add…

Scripture is the sole authority.

still waiting for any chapter and verse… but then you really know there is none and you have serious error in the foundation of your opinions/beliefs

You obviously hate reproof.

…make that ignore reproof

 

[Aramis]

Educated catholics do not hate reproof; they do disdain misinformed, bigoted “false reproof” based in the illegitimate sola scriptura movement’s mistaken beliefs.

There can be no true dialog with the sola scriptura heretics, yes HERETICS, when they cite that scripture is “divinely inspired” and then ignore that God’s message was recorded by human hands, in a variety of little-spoken-now languages, and thus subject to transcription AND translation errors.

A key example of the problem of Sola Scriptura: Islam. Unless one speaks Arabic, one can not argue validly with Muslims, as they can readily claim translation issues, and some (many?) believe that God literally speaks only Arabic, so decry even prayer outside of the use of Arabic.

 

[believers]

not according to the book of Acts…

to fill the office of Judas, only two qualified… and Paul was neither.

What do you mean "not according to the book of Acts? What are objecting to?

 

[MrS]

What do you mean "not according to the book of Acts? What are objecting to?

see your post #521 where you said Paul qualified to be one of the 12, in response to my saying that he did not.

ACTS verifies my statement.

Now…

please, again answer my other question which I re-submit:

Originally Posted by believers forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
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Scripture is the sole authority.

Chapter and verse please… if you cannot show this opinion… which is the entire foundation of all your arguments… you have nothing to stand on.
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[believers]

Educated catholics do not hate reproof; they do disdain misinformed, bigoted “false reproof” based in the illegitimate sola scriptura movement’s mistaken beliefs.

There can be no true dialog with the sola scriptura heretics, yes HERETICS, when they cite that scripture is “divinely inspired” and then ignore that God’s message was recorded by human hands, in a variety of little-spoken-now languages, and thus subject to transcription AND translation errors.

A key example of the problem of Sola Scriptura: Islam. Unless one speaks Arabic, one can not argue validly with Muslims, as they can readily claim translation issues, and some (many?) believe that God literally speaks only Arabic, so decry even prayer outside of the use of Arabic.

This sounds like meaningless ranting. Please provide scriptural support.

 

[believers]

see your post #521 where you said Paul qualified to be one of the 12, in response to my saying that he did not.

ACTS verifies my statement.

Now…

please, again answer my other question which I re-submit:

Originally Posted by believers forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
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Scripture is the sole authority.*

Chapter and verse please… if you cannot show this opinion… which is the entire foundation of all your arguments… you have nothing to stand on.

I didn’t say he qualified to be one of the 12. He was Saul at the time.

Paul was an apostle. Believest thou this?

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

1Cr 1:1 Paul, called [to be] an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes [our] brother,

2Cr 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy [our] brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Col 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus [our] brother,

1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, [which is] our hope;

2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Tts 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, [and] lie not; ) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

2Ti 1:11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

 

[MrS]

Paul was an apostle. Believest thou this?

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I stand by my statement that St. Paul, the Catholic Apostle “to the Gentiles” did not qualify to be one of the 12. Only 2 did, in ACTS, and he was neither.

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[believers]

I stand by my statement that St. Paul, the Catholic Apostle “to the Gentiles” did not qualify to be one of the 12. Only 2 did, in ACTS, and he was neither.

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Well, Paul couldn’t be one of the 12 apostles. He was busy threatening their lives.

I forgot… “Catholic” apostle? Is that what your bible says?

 

[MrS]

Well, Paul couldn’t be one of the 12 apostles. He was busy threatening their lives.

good …

now, how about my other question… you can cut and paste on everything else…

Originally Posted by believers forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
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Scripture is the sole authority.

Chapter and verse please… if you cannot show this opinion… which is the entire foundation of all your arguments… you have nothing to stand on*

 

[believers]

good …

now, how about my other question… you can cut and paste on everything else…

Originally Posted by believers forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
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Scripture is the sole authority.*

Chapter and verse please… if you cannot show this opinion… which is the entire foundation of all your arguments… you have nothing to stand on

Actually, you need to prove that you can use something other than the Word of God. I don’t need to prove that the Bible alone is the authority.

Anyway, here again are the verses

Hbr 4:12
For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2Ti 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Pro 15:32
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.

Pro 15:10
Correction [is] grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: [and] he that hateth reproof shall die.

Believe the Bible or die. Can your church say that?

 

[MrS]

Well, Paul couldn’t be one of the 12 apostles. He was busy threatening their lives.

I forgot… “Catholic” apostle? Is that what your bible says?

It is not “my” bible. There are many versions, and even more erroneous translation, and ever more erroneous/heretical interpretations.

The Bible is the Book of the Catholic Church, which the Church gives to the world. It was written by human authors under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the Divine Author of all Scripture.

The Holy Spirit will not divide us. Thus if you say the Holy Spirit is leading you to a different truth or interpretation, you blasphem the Holy Spirit… your world of division is not of God. And St. Paul, the Catholic would agree.