"The Catholic Church is wrong"

[FAB]

God does not want a religion with you, He wants a relationship. I do not care what religion you belong to, the only way we can have a relationship with God is through His Son Jesus Christ and the words He gave us in the Holy Bible. Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

God is awesome my friend. No one will go to hell unloved John 3:16 tells us that. its a free gift all you have to do is receive it.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: How can you recive this Free Gift

We all know we are sinners the bible tells us that,

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Rom 10:11** For the scripture saith**, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

When I was preparing young minds in the past years for Confirmation, the we would address the issue of why the need for Church, why not just have a personal relationship with God.
I would ask, since we are right by a major aiport, would any of them go out with just the instruction manuel and no other training, to climb into a plane and try to fly it. Your quotes remind me of that. Taking only quotes from the manuel without instruction of a foundation of faith, believing that you can fly without support.

Peace,
FAB

 

[Martin777]

great reply…

You may want to scrutinize those thoughts in light of Romans 2:12-16; 3:10-18 and 10:13-15.

 

[fbl9]

We will then be beyond the possibility of sinning ever again! !

this is the part that i am most impatient about(never being able to sin)…
when we go to our reward (before Christ’s return) those worthy of heaven will only be in a spiritual form until His coming again.and on that great day our spirits will once again be united with our flesh never to seperated again.and this flesh that is reunited will be incorupitable(sic).

 

[guanophore]

It could be a mistake to blur that line with anyone other than the God-Man, the unique Son of God!

I agree! this is why it is so important to hold fast to the Apostolic Teaching. If we do this, we will not make a mistake.

2 Thess 2:14-15
" So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter."

The Church was brand new, and Paul was being both humble and wise.

BUT…It is interesting that you bring up that passage, because it is there in Galatians 2, just a few verses later that Paul tells us he had to rebuke Peter because Peter was in error and being hypocritical.

Indeed, as the HS moves the bishops today to correct and admonish one another that none may fall away from the purity of Christ. I think where people misundertand, though, is that Peter was acting against his own infallible proclamation, and that was his error. He was being a poor role model, because he was not acting in accordance to the Truth that had been revealed to him by Christ. Indeed, there have been at least a dozen successors of Peter that have fallen into the same hypocrisy. It does not invalidate the Teaching, though. What Peter taught was infallible, even when he was not living up to it.

 

[twb1621]

You may want to scrutinize those thoughts in light of Romans 2:12-16; 3:10-18 and 10:13-15.

Its not necessary, I am aware of the teachings and interpretations of the scriptures by the Catholic Church and unless you have some source of equal credibility with 2000 years to back it, I’ll remain with that position. If you have something you would like to present as support on your position I would be glad to discuss it with you.

 

[Hisalone]

Were we created for the flesh, or for holiness?

Holiness is to be set apart for Him.
We are not Him

 

[AshleyBelle]

Holiness is to be set apart for Him.
We are not Him

Will we be “holy” when we are united to Him in heaven?

 

[Martin777]

Its not necessary, I am aware of the teachings and interpretations of the scriptures by the Catholic Church and unless you have some source of equal credibility with 2000 years to back it, I’ll remain with that position. If you have something you would like to present as support on your position I would be glad to discuss it with you.

You are right that if someone is not aware of the Law, they are not guilty of violating it. Paul states that in Romans. But he also says that men and women who have not been exposed to the Law have a law in their conscience and they also have the witness of the created order, so that they are without excuse and are accountable to God.

then in the passage I referred to in Romans, Paul explicitly states through the rhetorical question, that a man cannot be saved unless someone tells him the gospel of Christ. Read the verses. It is patently plain.

 

[guanophore]

You are right that if someone is not aware of the Law, they are not guilty of violating it. Paul states that in Romans. But he also says that men and women who have not been exposed to the Law have a law in their conscience and they also have the witness of the created order, so that they are without excuse and are accountable to God.

then in the passage I referred to in Romans, Paul explicitly states through the rhetorical question, that a man cannot be saved unless someone tells him the gospel of Christ. Read the verses. It is patently plain.

Yes, but in that same letter, it is also plain that God has revealed Himself to all through His creation, and that one can perceive Him in the things that have been made. It is also clear that it is incumbent upon mankind to honor Him as God, having been made aware of Him through His revelation of Himself. This has been the case from the foundation of the world. God can save whoever He wants, however He likes. He is not dependent upon us. He chooses to use His Church to reveal Himself to the world, and we are “constrained” to preach the gospel.

 

[twb1621]

You are right that if someone is not aware of the Law, they are not guilty of violating it. Paul states that in Romans. But he also says that men and women who have not been exposed to the Law have a law in their conscience and they also have the witness of the created order, so that they are without excuse and are accountable to God.

then in the passage I referred to in Romans, Paul explicitly states through the rhetorical question, that a man cannot be saved unless someone tells him the gospel of Christ. Read the verses. It is patently plain.

I understand what you are saying but these verses must be understood in the light they are spoken and cannot be taken out of context either. If a person has never had the exposure to Christian teaching and lives his or her life by the moral and ethical laws subscribed in the heart, he can reach salvation. To say otherwise would be like saying there are people here in this human existence that have more compassion forgiveness and mercy than Jesus. Surely you would agree that our Lord who sacrificed Himself for all man wouldn’t condemn a person who was completely unknowing but lived as righteous a life as possible for what he knew.

 

[Martin777]

Will we be “holy” when we are united to Him in heaven?

Holiness is, in a way, in three parts. The moment a man or woman is saved through faith in Christ, they become a saint in the sense that they are set apart for God (See the beginning of all Paul’s epistles, where he addresses the believers as ‘saints’). So we are holy. But there is also the ongoing experiential sanctification that happens here on earth, where we are being made holy progressively. But finally there is that ultimate sanctification (also called glorification–the ‘redemption of our bodies’ that Paul talks about in Rom 8). That is what John is talking about there in I John 3, when he says we will be like Him when we see Him as He is! Then we will be 100% holy, both positionally and experientially. That’s one of the reasons John says in Rev, “Even so, come Lord Jesus!”

 

[AshleyBelle]

Holiness is, in a way, in three parts. The moment a man or woman is saved through faith in Christ, they become a saint in the sense that they are set apart for God (See the beginning of all Paul’s epistles, where he addresses the believers as ‘saints’). So we are holy. But there is also the ongoing experiential sanctification that happens here on earth, where we are being made holy progressively. But finally there is that ultimate sanctification (also called glorification–the ‘redemption of our bodies’ that Paul talks about in Rom 8). That is what John is talking about there in I John 3, when he says we will be like Him when we see Him as He is! Then we will be 100% holy, both positionally and experientially. That’s one of the reasons John says in Rev, “Even so, come Lord Jesus!”

Right So… it is safe to say we were created for holiness!

 

[Martin777]

I understand what you are saying but these verses must be understood in the light they are spoken and cannot be taken out of context either. If a person has never had the exposure to Christian teaching and lives his or her life by the moral and ethical laws subscribed in the heart, he can reach salvation. To say otherwise would be like saying there are people here in this human existence that have more compassion forgiveness and mercy than Jesus. Surely you would agree that our Lord who sacrificed Himself for all man would’t condemn a person who was completely unknowing but lived as righteous a life as possible for what he knew.

I’m sorry, but Scripture is very clear about this. Paul says in Rom 3 that “there is NONE righteous, no not ONE!” He goes on to describe the human condition in very graphic, sinful terms. NO ONE can come to God in ANY way except through the blood of Christ.

 

[Martin777]

Right So… it is safe to say we were created for holiness!

Yes! And Paul promises in Philippians that “He who began a good work in you will complete it unto the day of redemtion!”

 

[twb1621]

I’m sorry, but Scripture is very clear about this. Paul says in Rom 3 that “there is NONE righteous, no not ONE!” He goes on to describe the human condition in very graphic, sinful terms. NO ONE can come to God in ANY way except through the blood of Christ.

Romans CH 2
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are just in the sight of God; rather, those who observe the law will be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, 6 while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people’s hidden works through Christ Jesus.

 

[Martin777]

Romans CH 2
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are just in the sight of God; rather, those who observe the law will be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, 6 while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people’s hidden works through Christ Jesus.

How do you reconcile those two passages? I have an idea. What do you think?

 

[twb1621]

How do you reconcile those two passages? I have an idea. What do you think?

Romans CH 2
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are just in the sight of God; (those who know the law) rather, those who observe the law will be justified (those who live by it). 14 For when the Gentiles who do not have the law (Do not know of the law) by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves (follow ethics and morality in treating others etc.) even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, (they recognize what is right and wrong in themselves toward others) 6 while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people’s hidden works (What they have done from the heart regardless of knowledge of the law) through Christ Jesus.

 

[ChristianKnight]

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I know that every denomination thinks their way is the 'true" way. But they are 1,500 years too late. Jesus, Himself warned against false prophets and teachers. Do Protestants listen? Nope! And if they do, they twist what Jesus said about false prophets trying to say the Catholic church is wrong! Now these were “our” writtings. We haven’t changed the meaning of one verse in 2,000 years.

There are now 100 “different” versions of the “Bible” The SDA just completed 3 versions for their own use! Why? Why are the words being changed? To mislead the people who attempot to follow the bible? Sola Scriptura is a joke! It can’t be true even if some people foolishly think it is or could be! The Bible didn’t drop down from heaven! It is a collection of stories, poems, songs, tales, history and truths revealed by God throught these many authors over 5,000 years!

In 1604 King James I of England, saw an opportunity to bring about a unity with the church service in Presbyterian Scotland and Episcopal England. It was completed and published in 1611. There have been many “revisions” in 1615, 1629, 1638, and 1762 when 3,600 “corrections” were made to the Catholic church’s Bible! This is your KJV. A twisted distorted, corrupted collection of verses altered to suit the desires of the rewriters! I have over a dozen bibles. A NASB, JKV, ESV, NKJV, NAS and NIV. I have the Book of Morman , the Qur’an (Koran) and many religious books explaining the bible. However, I obtain my “beliefs and learning” at Mass when the priest explains what is being taught in the books that Jesus wanted us to have explained to us! **

Then you obviously know nothing of my church. I love how you guys judge my church, I am sure you’ve been their dozens of times.

What is SDA again?

I obtain my beliefs by reading books, and I don’t care, I like my corrupt bible of mine.

Proud member of a “Counterfeit” Religion!

hi christian knight- i have not read the rest of thread and am not sure if someone already commented on your post. i’m sorry that some catholics were judging you, that’s not christlike. however, i suggest you reconsider your banner. i assume you’re not catholic and if true, you have not received the body and blood of the Lord (Jn 6:53 ff). unless you do, you do not have life within you. God bless.

I have no life within me, so I will not change the banner, it shows truth. I am a member of a counterfeit religion. I am corrupt, evil, and in-pure, why when you guys say it, its ok, but when I seem to represent, its bad?

If this is true,then you are in error. What the Church teaches is without error because the HS prevents the Church from error. However. individuals who are not acting in union with the Teachings of Jesus have no such protection. Such individuals can, and do, sin against God, and fellow men. For that reason, it is very important that you care what the Church officially declares. Otherwise, it is like judging the teaching of Jesus by those who did not follow it. Would you say that, since Judas betrayed Christ, what Jesus taught is not just?

Well, pride is part of our human nature. If we are not healed from it in this life, we will be in the next.

HS? So, you don’t sin?

And hatred is a part of human nature too

 

[ChristianKnight]

Well, you seem to be gloating in your victimization, which is why I don’t like your signature line.

1 Peter 2:20-21
“…if you endure when you do right and suffer for it, you have God’s approval. 21 For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you should follow in his steps.”

Did Jesus draw attention to himself through the slander of His enemies? How does this glorify Him?

Being Catholic does not make one necessarily holy and righteous. This kind of pride and judgementalism is what has divided Christianity from the beginning. Dont’ you think the Judiazers thought that the Gentiles who refused circumcision thought they were practicing a counterfeit religion?

You seem to have focused on the wrong that has been done to you, instead of any good that can be found.

Phil 4:8-9

8 Finally, beloved, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is pleasing, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence and if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. 9 Keep on doing the things that you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, and the God of peace will be with you."

Can you not find something worthy of praise to put in your signature?

I do not care if you don’t like it, it was said, and its obviously true.
He didn’t, doesn’t mean I can’t. Besides, I am going to hell since I am a protestant anyways.
Maybe, I don’t know, haven’t got a class or book yet for Christian History.
Not really, I only like 1 catholic in this whole place, and thats cause he has respect and tolerance.

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Well Ag_not, that would depend on several things,
( What a box of worms you just opened! ) by Baptist did you mean Baptists, Southern Baptists, or Free Will Baptists or one of their various associations, conferences, conventions, fellowships, groups, or unions? What is the difference you ask? That is easy to explain!
Not the differences, but the reason why no one can make the differences clear even the baptist themselves! They have no idea! With their various associations, conferences, conventions, fellowships, groups, and unions around the world even Baptists can’t even keep accurate track of their own sub-denominations. There are about 50 just in the USA many of which may also have modified there own groups doctrinal stance to Free and General Baptists!
**

My church is part of the SBC, but we are independant, we only use their site for teaching papers on, which are really just for fun to learn then actual learning.

btw: You might wana do some research, on the CoC vs Baptist and Methodist. You think you catholics got it bad, try being a baptist in a CoC church.

 

[Ag_not]

I have no life within me, so I will not change the banner, it shows truth. I am a member of a counterfeit religion. I am corrupt, evil, and in-pure, why when you guys say it, its ok, but when I seem to represent, its bad?

Oh for heavens sake. Get a grip will ya and get over yourself. You playing of the poor downtrodden misunderstood is becoming tiresome. Said in all christian charity and love of course

Really - you wanna hear the things Ive been called

Stop milking it now, ok - that cows dry