"The Catholic Church is wrong"

[Realcatholicgk]

Wow. My bad.

AMEN!

I had facts wrong.

YUP!

Until Vatica II it was a sin for a Catholic to read a Bible produced by a non-Catholic.

It was? Please cite your reference? Or did you just make that up? I was there buddy, we had a list of approved movies and books. Not a bad idea. But to make it a “sin”.

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** Do you know the three things needed for a act to be a sin?**
Answer that questuon please:

Now its not a sin.

Never was a sin

Also used to be a sin to go to a protestant Bible study. Now it is not a sin.

We could even go to Protestant church services. Just couldn’t take their communion! I hate Oreos and grape juice anyway! Who taught you your religion? Mormons or SDA, or I hope not JWs It couldn’t have been any christian faith! ** None of the 61,000 counterfeit denominations are that illinformed! **

That’s amazing

What is amazing is how much you “know” is so completely false. Do you know that the Catholic church has the ability to change small “t” traditions. They made them and can change them. The direction the priest faces, etc. As the living Body of christ it does so when needed. What Protestants do is change the Capital “t” Traditions which God and Jesus handed down and no man can change. Catholic’s never change Capital "T"tradition because they are needed to “save your eternal soul”. But, in less that 500 years every large Tradition has been twisted, corrupted, distorted, modified, changed, or disregarded by the different denominations calling themselves “christians” and who catholics lovinging, in the spirit of christian fellowship call “separated brethren” and who are widly known as Protestants. There arre 1,375 different doctrines and dogmas being taught that simply are false and can lead to eternal damnation!

 

[Martin777]

going by the current state of catholics i think it was very prudent to have to obey the former disciplines…seriously why would any one want to read something that is not complete?
honestly i can’t think of any good reason to attend a protestant bible “study” as a means of furthering my faith.
give me one reason to accept the Hebrew cannon.
why would any one accept a group’s opinion as to what the word of God consists of,when that same group rejected the word of God made flesh?

Well, let’s see…Moses and the prophets wrote the Hebrew scriptures, Jesus learned them, and the Hebrews are God’s people. That’s a good start.
And for the record…I don’t believe you could learn anything at one of those Bible studies.

 

[fbl9]

Well, let’s see…Moses and the prophets wrote the Hebrew scriptures, Jesus learned them, and the Hebrews are God’s people. That’s a good start.
And for the record…I don’t believe you could learn anything at one of those Bible studies.

the same Hebrews that rejected the word of God made flesh are the same ones who declared which books to be included in the Hebrew cannon…which they did so how many yrs after Jesus had established the new convenant?hmmm.

 

[twb1621]

Well, let’s see…Moses and the prophets wrote the Hebrew scriptures, Jesus learned them, and the Hebrews are God’s people. That’s a good start.
And for the record…I don’t believe you could learn anything at one of those Bible studies.

that was good… no, really.

 

[Ag_not]

Wow. My bad. I had facts wrong.

Let’s be honest here - it makes a mockery of your claim to have a Doctorate in Divinity for starters doesn’t it.

Next - and you should know this as someone who has researched at a Ph.D level - there is only ONE Bible. The one approved and sanctioned by the Councils of the Catholic Church under the Guideance of The Holy Spirit and auspecis of the Pope. THAT Bible has never changed. THAT Bible is the Catholic Bible. ALL other Bibles are edited and sanitised and in some cases rewritten from scratch. THOSE are NOT Bibles, if you understand the Bible to be the unchanging Word of God.

Finally - at least you admitted you have no official church sources for your claims, so I can stop reading the New York telephone directory now

 

[fbl9]

Well, let’s see…Moses and the prophets wrote the Hebrew scriptures, Jesus learned them, and the Hebrews are God’s people. That’s a good start.
And for the record…I don’t believe you could learn anything at one of those Bible studies.

how then are there are many books that make up the OT that the author is unkown…if only Moses and the prophets (as the writers)are the standard to judge scripture as belonging what of the unknow authorship books.they don’t belong then? the books of what prophet said are not always wrote by the prophet himself…by the standard you set there are a good many books in the OT that need to be removed.
Jesus learned from the whole of scripture ,including the parts left out by those who rejected the Word of God made flesh.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

These things are still not encouraged

Hi carl,

They never** were encouraged, but not a sin. Who would want to sit through a protestant bible study? I started to highlighted the 4,000 changes etc, between the real catholic bible and one of the the KJV versions and got tired. Never finished. I love to laugh at the 'faith healers on TV, They sure are great examples of Protestants going wrong! .Many of my protestant friends think they are jokes themselves! **

 

[Martin777]

Let’s be honest here - it makes a mockery of your claim to have a Doctorate in Divinity for starters doesn’t it.

Next - and you should know this as someone who has researched at a Ph.D level - there is only ONE Bible. The one approved and sanctioned by the Councils of the Catholic Church under the Guideance of The Holy Spirit and auspecis of the Pope. THAT Bible has never changed. THAT Bible is the Catholic Bible. ALL other Bibles are edited and sanitised and in some cases rewritten from scratch. THOSE are NOT Bibles, if you understand the Bible to be the unchanging Word of God.

Finally - at least you admitted you have no official church sources for your claims, so I can stop reading the New York telephone directory now

Friend, your rantings may impress unsuspecting Catholics, but the rest of the Christian world is like, Ho Hum…
I know a lot of scripture, probably memorized more than you could imagine, but I’m still learning. What I don’t keep up with is when your self-proclaimed infallable guys decided the Friday fish-fry was on or off or when it suddenly becomes righteous for the Catholic flock to read the Bibles most of the Christian world reads. No, I’m a little disinterested there.
And there are thousands of godly, brilliant scholars who, in spite of you guys tooting your own horns, remain completely underwhelmed with your claims to exclusivity. We know the Savior and His Spirit lives in us to guide us through his ministry of illumination.

 

[Matariel]

Well, I didn’t read all of the post but the first got my attention. I believe that what he says about the priest he met is truthful. I was also raised catholic. I went to perochial schools (though you couldn’t tell by my bad spelling) for grade school and junior high. My family though very catholic were adulterers, some were alcoholics. … at 15 because from personal experience I thought they could not have practitioners that were as carnal as any pagans and be Christ true church. I’ve learned a lot since then (26 years ago) and am now reconsidering Catholicism again. However, it seems to me had I remained Catholic I would have died in my sins not fully understanding church doctrine. I think Hank has the same issue. Which is why I’m speaking to him. Though protestants I’ve actually learned more about the catholic faith and have had the strength to live more rightly than before. However, its seems that the Holy Spirit is drawing me to his Sacraments. The thing is I think many Catholics are carnal because they are not only not Catechized properly but they take their baptism for granted since it happens at a young age. Even though they cross themselves with holy water to remind them of their baptism. Jo Blow (purposely general here) Catholic may not even know that the holy water is meant for that purpose. I’ve found there are good parishes and bad ones. Hank and I were part of bad ones. I have a divorsed friend who told me how a priest approached her for sex which made her want to leave. So you can see how catholics not properly taught, confronted with uninformed priest, are abused by the very church that is supposed to protect them are leaving or have issues. Too many people here on this site blow these things off. But that is why the hemerage of believers to Protestantism. These people just want the Lord and those tares in the church are supporting their cause. When you’re hurt enough you respond not by reason but by instinct. One think Hank does know when he was Catholic he wasn’t really a believer but know that he has a “personal relationship” with Jesus he is. However, since he’s acting off experience he’s not seriously looking at the fact that the church may have been right but the people were dead wrong and will pay the price for it. And here is the dicotomy. in as much as you receive the Sacraments they are pointless if you really have no faith and continue to sin. In fact you condemn yourself more for participating in the Sacraments and continue in sin. Jesus makes it clear. We must be like him and love others and be changed. The sacraments help with his grace but for those who insist on not allowing the grace to fill them are only self decieved. I’m rambling but these are my thoughts and I humbly submit them for you I know I will be criticised but remember I’ve been able to distiguish between the truth and the experience. I’m just relating how I view Hank and his issues with the church as it relates to my experience.

I’m very sorry for your bad experiences with Catholics who were not living by Catholic values.

But remember, in the Old Testament, the jewish priests put idols in the holy Temple and were worshipping false gods and prostitution was rampant in Israel, even thought the Jewish religion was the religion of God at that time.

Even though the Jewish priests and the Jews themselves were living horribly, the Jewish religion was still the religion of God.

Again, I’m sorry about your experiences with Catholics who forsook Catholic values.

I will pray for you…

 

[fbl9]

Friend, your rantings may impress
And there are thousands of godly, brilliant scholars who, in spite of you guys tooting your own horns, remain completely underwhelmed with your claims to exclusivity. We know the Savior and His Spirit lives in us to guide us through his ministry of illumination.

memorization does equal knowing
in spite of you guys tooting your horns to your own little beat we listen to His Church
thousands of godly scholars,each marching to beat of their own horn.what a horrendous noise that must be…compared to millions of horns in tune with each other.

 

[Matariel]

I know a lot of scripture, probably memorized more than you could imagine, but I’m still learning. What I don’t keep up with is when your self-proclaimed infallable guys decided the Friday fish-fry was on or off…

Um, actually Catholics are still required to give up meat or another food/activity on Friday; it’s a disciplinary rule, not an infallible doctrine, so your point in kind of moot.

…or when it suddenly becomes righteous for the Catholic flock to read the Bibles most of the Christian world reads. No, I’m a little disinterested there.

Um, the Catholics were the keepers of the Bible for thousands of years before the man-made Protestant “churches” even existed. The Gutenburg Bible, the first thing printed on the printing press, was a Catholic Bible, so go figure. I think you need to re-look at history. But there were many illiterate people, so the invented doctrine of “Sola Scriptura” wouldn’t of worked anyway.

The Catholic Church in all her wisdom decided which books were inspired and should make up the Bible. In the 382 AD, Pope Damasus I directed the Council of Rome to compile the first New Testament. The Catholic Church produced more than 600 editions of the Bible in different languages before the first Protestant Bible ever appeared. A Catholic could read the Bible in German, Italian, Spanish, French, Bohemian, Flemish, and Russian before the Reformation.

Well, every time a Protestant quotes the New Testament they are conceding that the Catholic Church, with the Holy Spirit’s guidance, infallibly declared the canon of Scripture, so go figure.

…We know the Savior and His Spirit lives in us to guide us through his ministry of illumination.

So, did He guide you all into all your doctrines on which you disagree and form thousands of bickering little rival sects? Is that where the Holy Spirit guided you? “God is not the author of confusion…”

 

[sambos671]

Friend, your rantings may impress unsuspecting Catholics, but the rest of the Christian world is like, Ho Hum…
I know a lot of scripture, probably memorized more than you could imagine, but I’m still learning. What I don’t keep up with is when your self-proclaimed infallable guys decided the Friday fish-fry was on or off or when it suddenly becomes righteous for the Catholic flock to read the Bibles most of the Christian world reads. No, I’m a little disinterested there.
And there are thousands of godly, brilliant scholars who, in spite of you guys tooting your own horns, remain completely underwhelmed with your claims to exclusivity. We know the Savior and His Spirit lives in us to guide us through his ministry of illumination.

I would love to put Karl Barth and a slew of other Protestant theologians up against Anselm or Thomas Aquinas. The fact remains some of the best and most awe inspiring theological works are Catholic Theologians.

 

[twb1621]

when it comes down to it people have a tendancy to blame the team for the poor players. In the last 50 years many have left the Church blaming the her for all the bad that happened but it wasn’t the church it was some of the people that were a part of her both inside and out. If those of us who cared for what we believed in stood together things wouldn’t have gotten were they did. But many including myself blamed the “Church” and walked away. The fact is the Church is us. We left. And for those of us who have since returned or are returning we need to practice what we believe in, being Jesus. Regardless of the reasons, many left, but many are looking to come back. I pray that God guides us to be as we thought they should have been, Devoted.

 

[Ag_not]

…And there are thousands of godly, brilliant scholars …

There are indeed - but, erm, you’re not one of them, in all fairness

However, I encourage you to ask questions and listen to the answers, take notes, then research, proper sources, not deranged lunatics like Boetner and White, then come back and question some more.

It’s what Im doing - and it works - but you have to have a desire to know the Truth - so pray for the Spirit to open your mind.

If one person, could just show me one thing that the Catholic church taught that was in error, (The Official Church, not someone’s interpretation of what they THINK the Church said), I’d quit RCIA like a shot; but noone can. And if you look at some of my threads, God knows I encouraged them to.

Give it a shot. You might even like it.

Friend.

 

[Matariel]

I would love to put Karl Barth and a slew of other Protestant theologians up against Anselm or Thomas Aquinas. The fact remains some of the best and most awe inspiring theological works are Catholic Theologians.

Did you see my post #780, Sambos671?

 

[twb1621]

Friend, your rantings may impress unsuspecting Catholics, but the rest of the Christian world is like, Ho Hum…
I know a lot of scripture, probably memorized more than you could imagine, but I’m still learning. What I don’t keep up with is when your self-proclaimed infallable guys decided the Friday fish-fry was on or off or when it suddenly becomes righteous for the Catholic flock to read the Bibles most of the Christian world reads. No, I’m a little disinterested there.
And there are thousands of godly, brilliant scholars who, in spite of you guys tooting your own horns, remain completely underwhelmed with your claims to exclusivity. We know the Savior and His Spirit lives in us to guide us through his ministry of illumination.

Let’s be truthful, As far as most of the world’s Bible version is concerned, there are over one billion Catholics, one sixth the population of the world not counting Eastern Orthodox. I promise you the Bible they use has 73 books in it, not 66. The Bible version used has not changed except for the versions we don’t use with only the 66 books and altered text. If you would slow down and listen and maybe even look into some of the information offered to you, you may find something of interest that you weren’t aware of that could benefit you.

 

[Matariel]

Originally posted by Martin777:
I know a lot of scripture, probably memorized more than you could imagine, but I’m still learning. What I don’t keep up with is when your self-proclaimed infallable guys decided the Friday fish-fry was on or off…

Um, actually Catholics are still required to give up meat or another food/activity on Friday; it’s a disciplinary rule, not an infallible doctrine, so your point in kind of moot.

…or when it suddenly becomes righteous for the Catholic flock to read the Bibles most of the Christian world reads. No, I’m a little disinterested there.

Um, the Catholics were the keepers of the Bible for thousands of years before the man-made Protestant “churches” even existed. The Gutenburg Bible, the first thing printed on the printing press, was a Catholic Bible, so go figure. I think you need to re-look at history. But there were many illiterate people, so the invented doctrine of “Sola Scriptura” wouldn’t of worked anyway, they needed someone to teach them.

The Catholic Church in all her wisdom decided which books were inspired and should make up the Bible. In the 382 AD, Pope Damasus I directed the Council of Rome to compile the first New Testament. The Catholic Church produced more than 600 editions of the Bible in different languages before the first Protestant Bible ever appeared. A Catholic could read the Bible in German, Italian, Spanish, French, Bohemian, Flemish, and Russian before the Reformation.

Well, every time a Protestant quotes the New Testament they are conceding that the Catholic Church, with the Holy Spirit’s guidance, infallibly declared the canon of Scripture, so go figure.

…We know the Savior and His Spirit lives in us to guide us through his ministry of illumination.

So, did He guide you all into all your doctrines on which you disagree and form thousands of bickering little rival sects? Is that where the Holy Spirit guided you? “God is not the author of confusion…”

 

[Martin777]

Realcatholicgk:
An amazing rant from someone who appears to be very pompous rather than Christlike. We continue to be unimpressed. You no doubt embarass your Catholic brothers. Among many other blessings we enjoy is the confidence and peace Jesus described when He said, “You will know the truth and the truth will set you free”. Once he does that for you, you’ll know why tens of millions the world over were gloriously saved despite the confusion of the RCC.

 

[Indyann]

An amazing rant from someone who appears to be very pompous rather than Christlike. We continue to be unimpressed. You no doubt embarass your Catholic brothers. Among many other blessings we enjoy is the confidence and peace Jesus described when He said, “You will know the truth and the truth will set you free”. Once he does that for you, you’ll know why tens of millions the world over were gloriously saved despite the confusion of the RCC.

You are so very wrong. Not at all embarrassed by posts you refer to. In fact I am very proud to have such a fine young apologist defending our faith.

Jesus said “You WILL know the truth” I sincerely hope that you will some day know it.

You have no idea if tens of millions the world over were gloriusly saved or not. Now, I don’t know how many Saints have been canonized, but if those are the ones, you are speaking of, you are correct. Otherwise, its just speculation on your part.

 

[SD_Catholic]

An amazing rant from someone who appears to be very pompous rather than Christlike. We continue to be unimpressed. You no doubt embarass your Catholic brothers. Among many other blessings we enjoy is the confidence and peace Jesus described when He said, “You will know the truth and the truth will set you free”. Once he does that for you, you’ll know why tens of millions the world over were gloriously saved despite the confusion of the RCC.

I must have missed where you admitted to falsely accusing the CC of so many things… or where you answered the questions posed to you… like how could the HS be guiding all of you when so many come up with different conclusions on “substantial” matters? Sorry if I missed them but could you repost them please.

SD