1 - Define “incredible results”.
Amazing! So, you reject the two “new” commandments of Christ? You know the ones:
Because the Father unconditionally accepts you doesn’t prevent you from unconditionally rejecting Him through mortal sin.
What out Martin, you’re revealing your spots.
ok who are you talking about, HankZ or my post, you’re confusing in this one…
HankZ;4551378:
the quoted text is HankZ’s not mine, just to clear that up…
All who are baptized into Christ become partakers of His Spirit. No, what we are saying is that the promise of the HS to be guided into all truth was given to the church. That is the body of believers in union with the Apostles. There was no promise given that any one individual would be prevented from straying away from that Truth.
whats going on with the references to who quotes what anyway. They seem goofed up…
When you see your quote begin with two “quote=”'s, you need to delete the 2nd one.
You have it backwards, but that was not my point. Paul was a Jew, trained under Gamliel, who was converted to Christ when He appeared to him, and he became a missionary and was chosen by God to teach the gatherings of born again people, in churches throughout the Mediteranean area, and he had him write letters which were the very Word of God. Beleivers quickly saw this was doctrine from God. So, first things first. But my simple question is, do you believe what he teaches–that all believers, myself included are saints? Not a trick question, guano.
Yeh, and tell me about the vitality of the spirituality of those Rome ‘converted’
“Vitality of the Spirituality”?!? We are judged by how much “vitality” we have, now? I must have missed that bible class!
You, my dear friend, are a legalist who has yet to have that “Aha” moment where the incredible, eternal, PERFECT work of the cross becomes the shattering of all barriers between you and God. You think God has Christians on probation. You are still under the Law and are the target audience (minus the Jewish influence) of Paul when he fervently warned against those who teach another gospel. They weren’t teaching another religion or something pagan, they were teaching Jesus with conditions–“Another Jesus”, as Paul called it when he cursed them. He says in Colossians that Jesus destroyed the enmity between us and God–forever. Evangelicals believe that their all-poserful, all loving Father knew every sin we would EVER commit before He saved us, and did it anyway, placing those sins on His Son. They are separated from Him “as far as the east is from the west” and it is a disgrace that you want to dredge them up. That is why Paul said, “BEING CONFIDENT OF THIS VERY THING, THAT HE WHO BEGAN A GOOD WORK IN YOU WILL CONTINUE IT UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST” Believers are eternally seated with Christ in the heavenlies (Eph 2) and they are literall part of Christ’s body. Your theology would require Him to cut an arm or a foot off. One day, I pray, you will understand how AMAZING Grace REALLY is.
Sniff, sniff… Do I smell the heresy of Once Saved Always Saved?
Guano–I wanted to continue some discussion you painstakenly detailed on the thread that just closed…and by the way, thanks for the advice on checking posts. I am gonig to try that.Well, Hank, the fact is that we embrace a faith that has transcended many languages and cultures, and the best we can do to understand it is to educate ourselves in those cultures and languages in which our faith is rooted. For example, Jesus testified that “salvation is of the Jews”. We know that all that was written in the OT is there for our instruction, and is a shadow of what was to come. If we understand the shadows then we will have a better appreciation for the fulfillment. The NT was written originally in Aramaic and Greek. Knowing some things about these languages greately enriches our faith. If you are serious about having the HS show you more about your faith, then I encourage you to be open to these things.
not in one little bit…why even demons believe in God
