Someone died over pulling out, pretty clear to me… I would call this the “basic teaching”, if you want to know the why then I suggest reading Pope John Paul II theology of the body (assuming you have not).
Someone worded it quite well, so I will repost it:
Church doctrine doesn’t officially interpret the story of onan as being a condemnation to contraception.
“Wow” what??
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From Genesis 38“Wow” what??
Onan was killed for pulling out, really the only available ABC at the time. Now I have heard two ways in which people try to change the sin for which he was killed:
God Bless you as well, and I’ll be praying that the Holy Spirit opens your heart to the evils of contraception. (being completely serious)No, I understand that we should only avoid pregnancy for grave reasons. I will absolutely only avoid pregnancy for grave reasons. I am excited about being a stay at home mom and feel it is my calling in life.
It irks me a little bit when random people on this forum tell me I shouldn’t have gotten married because I have grave reasons for not becoming pregnant in the first year of our marriage.
No problem though. I’ll just say a quick prayer and let it pass by me without allowing it to cause distress.
God bless you.
Once again, Church doctrine doesn’t officially interpret the story of Onan as being a condemnation to contraception. If so, it would seem the Church would quote the bible here to support and/or explain Her claim that contraception is a sin.
I can understand questioning church teaching, but it seems here more like your avoiding the scripture by claiming “church doctrine…”. I would suggest not taking this approch, rather I would encourage you to read and meditate upon the scripture. I would also encourage you to take a journey through genisis, particularly concentrating upon the institution of marriage (chapter 2) and this chapter.
God bless you as well, thank you.
The only reason he was supposed to be having sex with his dead brother’s wife was to impregnate her. So having pulled out in that case he was basically raping her. He certainly wasn’t having sex with her out of love and union, so if he wasn’t having sex with her to have kids either, there’s only one option left - he was doing it to use her and take advantage of the situation.
Actually NFP doesn’t work because my wife has irregular periods. Her doctor tells us it wouldn’t work either and she is Catholic. Even if it did work my wife says it’s too much work. My wife, however, has high prolactin levels and is 37 so hopefully that will work in our favor. Our only child, DD, didn’t come easilyI was like that too for a while, but it started hurting my marriage in ways that I don’t even want to get into at this point. I’ve since started using condoms and it’s helped us a lot.
…But if NFP works for you, more power to you. I wish it would have for me.
Actually they were married, but he had to father an heir for his brother who had died. He could have refused altogether to marry her, there was a third brother to take his place.
I know it must have been hard. Don’t let these folks try to scare you about hell. They’re just being medieval. It’s not charity even when they call it “fraternal correction.”Once I made the decision, no, it did not bother me. I truly believe the Church is in error on this issue - or at least that it is not such a black and white thing. I did not come to this conclusion easily, and I hope people won’t judge me too harshly. It took a lot of praying and discerning, and even some talks with my priest. It’s helped our marriage and it’s helped our love making. My conscience is cleared.
There has been a lot of heat and lots of documentation thrown around on this thread. You are absolutely right that we sometimes lose sight of the need to be charitable especially when working through the Church’s teaching.
I’m not saying the teachings you guys are using are medieval. I’m talking about using veiled or otherwise explicit references to hell isn’t helpful.
