The church will become small ...She will no longer be able to inhabit many of the edifices she built [like CAF]

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I think it’s a bit arrogant to presume that an American centric English speaking forum is in any way representative of global Catholicism. Most Catholics are not (native) English speakers. And the vast majority are not Americans… though here that has always been the case.
 
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twf said:
I think it’s a bit arrogant to presume that an American centric English speaking forum is in any way representative of global Catholicism. Most Catholics are not (native) English speakers. And the vast majority are not Americans… though here that has always been the case.
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I linked to a WSJ report above that said the same trends affect the West (i.e. Western Europe and its non-Asian former colonies) as a whole.

Even the BBC will tell you that Christianity is collapsing in the West.

I am simply stating that the closure of CAF (which never limited itself to the USA) is analogous to the parish closures we see in real life throughout the West.
 
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MarysLurker said:
Precisely because Muslims have built faithful Benedict Option-type enclaves out of necessity. That 200% growth isn’t from converts, it is from babies and immigrants who are then formed in the BO enclave. We need to learn from that.
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Is that sustainable? Part of what you describe depends on somewhat homogenous groups ( circumstances and ideology). It probably requires a lot of pressure from peers and family. Both of which fade when people go to college or move away in early adulthood.
 
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It probably requires a lot of pressure from peers and family. Both of which fade when people go to college or move away in early adulthood.
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And then get replaced by geometrically greater pressure from the popular culture. Which is why you need community, not pressure, to form intentional disciples.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
I’ve never been to a Church or parish that publishes “online resources” that even mentions it.

I myself stumbled across it by accident and decided to join.
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You are absolutely right. And I had never thought about it.

I’m going to steal your idea. Hope you don’t mind.

Starting this week, CA is making a big appearance in my parish resources.
 
MarysLurker said:
That 200% growth isn’t from converts, it is from babies and…
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The Muslim family in our neighborhood has 7 children with another on the way. The Catholic lady who works with the Church on various things was telling people she had her tubes cut after two children.
Most families in the local Roman Catholic church are about 2 children although at the SSPX Church nearby there is a lady who has 11 children and another is on the way. Her daughters help her, but she does look somewhat tired. For some reason, some Catholics do not like SSPX and recommend not attending their chapels. For example, there is a site run by a Mr. Voris (who claims to be Roman Catholic) called Church Militant and it runs articles furiously opposed to SSPX.
 
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AlNg said:
The Muslim family in our neighborhood has 7 children with another on the way. The Catholic lady who works with the Church on various things was telling people she had her tubes cut after two children.
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And it was the popular culture that told her to do that. So eliminate the popular culture the way the SSPX family did.
 
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AlNg said:
Tell that to Christine Niles or Michael Voris and see what they say.
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I was referring to the SSPX family in question not the society as a whole. Edited accordingly
 
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From my limited perspective in the U.S. I have to agree that the existing culture has become so degenerate that it is essentially beyond evangelizing. Not only that, but Catholics have largely adopted the secular culture. Certainly children are indoctrinated into the secular values in school and by the popular media. Adults have also adapted to secularism. We are immersed in it. There are many Catholics who consider themselves practicing Catholics, but in reality are practical pagans.
 
And depending on the algorithm, I’m not sure how many of my friends do see it.
 
FrankFletcher said:
No Internet forums are succeeding, period. It’s a dead medium. That’s not exclusive to those that are Catholic.
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Absolutely. I’m a member of one or two other long-running forums completely unrelated to Catholicism, and they’ve fallen on hard times and decreased traffic as well.
 
CTBcin said:
Absolutely. I’m a member of one or two other long-running forums completely unrelated to Catholicism, and they’ve fallen on hard times and decreased traffic as well.
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But has the interest in their subject matter decreased?
 
MarysLurker said:
And then get replaced by geometrically greater pressure from the popular culture. Which is why you need community, not pressure, to form intentional disciples.
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How is community different than pressure? And what about those who disagree with the community?

Also, it could just be my interpretation of my experiences thus far, but it less about pressure. Instead it is about choosing what we prefer and what makes sense. Surly there’s a few things you were taught as a child you now disagree with.
 
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