The cureall for stoping abortion

[gladtobe]

The cure for abortion is not to outlaw abortion, but to get at the root of why women have abortions anyway. And that is because women of all ages are not taking the pill before having sex. Enforce the pill and you will stop abortion

 

[otm]

gladtobe:

The cure for abortion is not to outlaw abortion, but to get at the root of why women have abortions anyway. And that is because women of all ages are not taking the pill before having sex. Enforce the pill and you will stop abortion

So the Pill which causes an abortion should be “enforced” to stop abortions.

Sounds logical to me.

NOT!

And, pray tell, just how are you going to “enforce” taking this Pill?

 

[CARose]

Glad,

Are you at all aware of what the Catholic Church teaches regarding Artificial Birth Control?

Do you have any idea why the Church teaches as it does on this topic?

Do you care?

Did you know that the Birth Control Pill functions by causing abortions?

Was your post even remotely serious?

CARose

 

[Lorarose]

The cure for abortion is not to outlaw abortion, but to get at the root of why women have abortions anyway. And that is because women of all ages are not taking the pill before having sex. Enforce the pill and you will stop abortion

I suggest you read the material that comes with the pill.
The pill is generally expected to suppress ovulation - but it doesn’t always succeed.
For that reason there are “backup” aspects to the pill.
One of them being the pill makes the uterine lining inhospitable to implantation by an embryo.
This means that women could be aborting their children and not even know it.

 

[Tyler_Smedley]

That sounds like a good idea we should get people to stop mortal sinning with another mortal sin. Let try to get everone to be in a state of mortal sin…thats good.

The issue has got to be outlawing abortion first, stop a majority of deaths and then continue to work on changing hearts… and minds and get the Theology of the Body out there where people can get at it.

 

[sweetchuck]

:ehh:

gladtobe:

Enforce the pill and you will stop abortion

:ehh: :ehh:

Ummmmmmm…that’s interesting considering the fact that THE PILL CAUSES ABORTIONS, though many women on it don’t even know they’re having them, in addition to removing the creative aspect from the conjugal union, preventing God from creating humans he has destined to exist before the formation of the universe, all so that women’s bodies may be used as fountains of pleasure by hedonistic men in a culture that wonders why women are objectified.

I’m going to have to disagree … emphatically.

 

[asteroid]

Yes, outlawing abortion won’t stop abortion. Abortion happened before it was legal. It would continue were it made illegal. But I don’t believe the root cause of abortion is lack of use of the pill. The root cause is in people’s beliefs and desires concerning sex and children.

I don’t know what Americans think of by the term “the pill”.

Here in the UK the pill is a contraceptive, taken 21 days out of 28. I’ve never read before that it sometimes fails to stop ovulation, but I haven’t read widely.

The “morning-after” pill is taken after (not usually before) having sex without any form of contraception being used. The morning-after pill is not a contraceptive but causes an early abortion.

The pill will not wipe out abortions even if regularly used since no form of contraception works 100% of the time. The mother of a friend of mine was using (and using properly) a different form of contraception each time she became pregnant. She’s a good woman - each time she became pregnant she was advised on solid medical grounds to abort since she could very well have died. But she never went down that line and suffered. And lost several babies. But 3 survived including my friend. Sorry - that went off topic!

Blessings

Ashley

 

[Coptic]

If I’m not mistaken, the Orthodox Church disapproves of abortions in all instances, unless of course the mother could die as a result of the pregnancy.

Do Catholics have any “exceptions” to the rule such as the Orthodox Church does?

God Bless,
Elizabeth

 

[Tyler_Smedley]

No, the only that comes to mind is when it is a tubluar pregnency, where both the mother and the child will die, the only treatment is to take out the tube, which will kill the baby but that is not the intent when the procedure is done.

 

[kmktexas]

asteroid:

I don’t know what Americans think of by the term “the pill”.

Here in the UK the pill is a contraceptive, taken 21 days out of 28. I’ve never read before that it sometimes fails to stop ovulation, but I haven’t read widely.

The “morning-after” pill is taken after (not usually before) having sex without any form of contraception being used. The morning-after pill is not a contraceptive but causes an early abortion.

In the US “the pill” is oral contraceptives described as you did above. Each package comes with a piece of paper with a bunch of medical information (side effects, chemical makeup etc.). The insert explains the actions. The primary action is to prevent ovulation. It does a pretty good job at that IF you take the pill every day at EXACTLY the same time and don’t have any variations in your health (fever, cold, etc). Otherwise, ovulation can occur. It’s called “break through” ovulation. The secondary action of the pill “protects” against break through ovulation by making the lining of the uterous unable to accept implantation. The action is much the same as the IUD which doesn’t prevent conception. It just prevents implantation. Since the baby doesn’t implant, it is flushed out with menstuation (aborted).

The “morning after pill” is really a very high dose of birth control pills. If ovulation hasn’t occured, it will surpress it. But if ovulation has occured, the action is to make sure that implantation and development don’t occur.

Tyler:

That sounds like a good idea we should get people to stop mortal sinning with another mortal sin. Let try to get everone to be in a state of mortal sin…thats good.

And even better, lets lull a lot of young people into a state of false security so that they are more likely to commit yet another mortal sin.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

gladtobe:

The cure for abortion is not to outlaw abortion, but to get at the root of why women have abortions anyway. And that is because women of all ages are not taking the pill before having sex. Enforce the pill and you will stop abortion

Are you really this morally impared, or is just an act?

 

[jimmy]

Coptic:

If I’m not mistaken, the Orthodox Church disapproves of abortions in all instances, unless of course the mother could die as a result of the pregnancy.

Do Catholics have any “exceptions” to the rule such as the Orthodox Church does?

God Bless,
Elizabeth

The only exception that I can think of may be an ectopic pregnancy. I think that is an exception and that is the only one.

 

[Genesis315]

gladtobe:

The cure for abortion is not to outlaw abortion, but to get at the root of why women have abortions anyway. And that is because women of all ages are not taking the pill before having sex. Enforce the pill and you will stop abortion

What do you mean by enforce the pill? Some people actually want to have babies, are you going to “enforce the pill” on them? At what age do you plan to enforce the pill? Teenagers? “But mom, the government says I have to take the pill.” So now girls will have even fewer excuses to resist the pressure from their boyfriends to have sex. That’s great. Are you going to force all single women to get on the pill? Some of them are actually chaste; sre you going to force the pill and it’s side effects on them?

Even from a purely secular view (nevermind that it is a mortal sin!) this idea is absurd.

 

[BibleReader]

gladtobe:

The cure for abortion is not to outlaw abortion, but to get at the root of why women have abortions anyway. And that is because women of all ages are not taking the pill before having sex. Enforce the pill and you will stop abortion

Actually, the exact OPPOSITE is true: Aside from abortions caused by the Pill (about one-third of its effectiveness is from its role as an abortifacient), the psychology generated by use of the Pill in the human family is the single biggest cause of the enormous demand to murder offspring, which we call “the Pro-Choice Movement.”

The date of Roe v. Wade is not an accident – about 10 years after The Pill was approved, so that it ENORMOUSLY popularized birth control psychology. As contraceptive use became more and more common, it generated its own social expectation of “risk-free nookie.” People began to view sexual pleasure, artificially ripped free of the naturally-imposed risk of conception, as a right, and as a duty to give. That social expectation, GENERATED BY the Pill and other contraceptives, is “out there,” now, as a value in our society, independent of The Pill. Even gladtobe’s psychology is apparently altered by it. When young folks, possessed of that mistaken belief that “risk-free nookie” is a right of folks, and a duty to provide, accidentally conceive a child, all of a sudden they have this disappointed expectation within themselves, screaming, “WHY WAS I CHEATED?! I’M ENTITLED TO ‘RISK FREE NOOKIE’!” A hefty percentage of these disappointed folks respond to this socially-ingrained disappointment by murdering their own offspring, by resorting to abotion.

So, AFTER the Pill was approved in the 1960s, demands for abortions BOOMED, mostly BECAUSE OF the Pill.

Post #1 in this thread is arguing for the murder of offspring to protect that non-existant right to “risk-free nookie.”

 

[puzzleannie]

gladtobe:

The cure for abortion is not to outlaw abortion, but to get at the root of why women have abortions anyway. And that is because women of all ages are not taking the pill before having sex. Enforce the pill and you will stop abortion

wrong, half of all abortions are sought because of failure of contraception method that was used. All women cannot take the pill because of its deadly side effects, beginning with strokes, increased cancer risks and a host of others. Use of the pill has escalated astronomically the number of pregnancies out of wedlock, among teenagers, and among the poor because it has escalated astronomically the number of women of childbearing age who are sexually active, as well as the number of women who are promiscuous, or who sleep with promiscuous men.

use of contraception has destroyed every notion of “women’s liberation” and has instead created a culture in which women and men both view women as nothing more than sex objects for the amusement, entertainment and gratification of men (a mentality that persists even within marriage, leading to skyrocketing divorce rates.)

 

[adstrinity]

gladtobe:

The cure for abortion is not to outlaw abortion, but to get at the root of why women have abortions anyway. And that is because women of all ages are not taking the pill before having sex. Enforce the pill and you will stop abortion

I noted you are “catholic”. I hope this is sarcasm, because, I found this highly amusing…it seems like sarcasm because of the counterproductivity of the statement.

 

[Lisa_N]

I noted you are “catholic”. I hope this is sarcasm, because, I found this highly amusing…it seems like sarcasm because of the counterproductivity of the statement.
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I wondered if the thread were simply sarcasm. If not realize that forced birth control or sterilization has been found illegal. In fact even ‘encouraging’ birth control has been found to be coercive such as in cases where addicted women are offered Norplant or sterilization. The cure for abortion is for men and women to choose not to have sexual relations unless they are willing to accept the consequences which might include a pregnancy. The problem is the refusal to accept the consquences and the demand for sex without any strings so to speak.

Lisa N

 

[mommy]

gladtobe:

The cure for abortion is not to outlaw abortion, but to get at the root of why women have abortions anyway. And that is because women of all ages are not taking the pill before having sex. Enforce the pill and you will stop abortion

I agree with the first part… get at the root of why women have abortions.

Stop having sex with someone you don’t love, aren’t married to, and wouldn’t want to have children with.

 

[lovesfall]

mommy:

I agree with the first part… get at the root of why women have abortions.

Stop having sex with someone you don’t love, aren’t married to, and wouldn’t want to have children with.

Couldn’t have said it better!

God Bless

Sandy

 

[BlindSheep]

The truth is that the number of abortions increased tenfold after Roe. We have every reason to believe making abortion illegal would prevent the vast majority of abortions. The fact that it wouldn’t prevent all of them wouldn’t make the law useless. The law doesn’t prevent all rapes or murders either, but we still consider it worthwhile that rape and murder should be illegal.
Furthermore, the introduction of the pill actually increased the number of abortions. With the pill people feel free to have sex when pregnancy is undesireable, and when birth control frequently fails, the result is more unwanted pregnancies and therefore more abortions.