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Just to be clear, there is no exception. Direct abortion may never be done for any reason. Period. The situation you are referring to would not be direct abortion. The action would not intend to murder the child.
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Tlaloc
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Never going to happen so lets focus on some realistic solutions, huh? Not that enforcing contraceptives is realistic but by education and making contraceptives more available you could cut down on the number of abortions by preventing unwanted pregnancies.
Furthermore the idea of the pill as an abortion is wrong. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, if the fertilized egg never implants you were never pregnant.
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Ok, so abstinence isn’t a realistic solution?I find it so funny that the ONE thing that cuts down on Abortion and STDS is ‘unrealistic’ just because people ‘want’ to do it.
Apparently we don’t have a strong enough of a will as a race to just say no?
Sorry, I’m teaching my kids abstinence. PERIOD. IT WORKS.
Just think, if EVERYONE did that… wow… not so unrealistic now.
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mommy
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:lol: Ok, so abstinence isn’t a realistic solution?
I find it so funny that the ONE thing that cuts down on Abortion and STDS is ‘unrealistic’ just because people ‘want’ to do it.
Apparently we don’t have a strong enough of a will as a race to just say no?
Sorry, I’m teaching my kids abstinence. PERIOD. IT WORKS.
Just think, if EVERYONE did that… wow… not so unrealistic now.
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Genesis315
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mommy said:
I find it so funny that the ONE thing that cuts down on Abortion and STDS is ‘unrealistic’ just because people ‘want’ to do it.
Apparently we don’t have a strong enough of a will as a race to just say no?
Sorry, I’m teaching my kids abstinence. PERIOD. IT WORKS.
Just think, if EVERYONE did that… wow… not so unrealistic now.
Haven’t you heard? We’re animals. We need to be temporarily (sometimes permanently) spayed and neutered or else we’ll have unwanted children. :whacky:
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Maybe their are many parents like you because they think it will never happen just say oh well might as well teach them to use condoms and take the pill. Why not have a more optimistic view and talk to your daughter or son about sex, and maybe just maybe they wil listen. It is worth a try. Do not get me wrong they will end up doing what they want anyway, but you can bet my daughter will be taught morals and values. I will surely not just tell her well go head honey since you are gonna have sex anyway here is condoms and the pill go head and have sex all you want.
Because lets not forget neither of those forms of contraception are 100% anyways.
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km112482
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I mean last time I checked nothing is wrong with teaching our children abstinence.
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mommy
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Yes but apparently it is NOT realisticI mean last time I checked nothing is wrong with teaching our children abstinence.
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Tlaloc
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No there isn’t anything wrong with teaching abstinence, but abstinence only education works very poorly. Abstinence in conjunction with information about contraceptives works much better.I mean last time I checked nothing is wrong with teaching our children abstinence.
Not everyone shares your belief on sexuality. Those who don’t (who may even be your own children) have no reason to obey your taboos.
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mommy
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I believe in raising the standards, not lowering my expectations.
(translation: I believe that abstinence can work, and that’s what I’m going to teach. I don’t believe in saying "I have no faith that the next generation will be able to stop themselves from having sex, so I’m going to give them contraception and the number to the abortion clinic)
Fact is nobody ever had an abortion when practicing abstinence.
When done correctly 100% pregnancy prevention rate.
Why don’t we just strive to be better as people, instead of trying to rationalize bad behavior?
(translation: I believe that abstinence can work, and that’s what I’m going to teach. I don’t believe in saying "I have no faith that the next generation will be able to stop themselves from having sex, so I’m going to give them contraception and the number to the abortion clinic)
Fact is nobody ever had an abortion when practicing abstinence.
When done correctly 100% pregnancy prevention rate.
Why don’t we just strive to be better as people, instead of trying to rationalize bad behavior?
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Tlaloc
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No there isn’t anything wrong with teaching abstinence, but abstinence only education works very poorly. Abstinence in conjunction with information about contraceptives works much better.I mean last time I checked nothing is wrong with teaching our children abstinence.
Not everyone shares your belief on sexuality. Those who don’t (who may even be your own children) have no reason to obey your taboos.
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Tlaloc
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No there isn’t anything wrong with teaching abstinence, but abstinence only education works very poorly. Abstinence in conjunction with information about contraceptives works much better.I mean last time I checked nothing is wrong with teaching our children abstinence.
Not everyone shares your belief on sexuality. Those who don’t (who may even be your own children) have no reason to obey your taboos.
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mommy
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Sorry, I believe in raising expectations, not lowering the bar. You can rationalize bad, selfish behavior any way you want.
If you expect people to fall short, most will. If you expect people to do better, most will.
If you want to prevent Abortions, Prevent the CAUSE. Pure and Simple.
NOBODY ever had an abortion because abstinence failed. If done properly 100% success rate.
If you expect people to fall short, most will. If you expect people to do better, most will.
If you want to prevent Abortions, Prevent the CAUSE. Pure and Simple.
NOBODY ever had an abortion because abstinence failed. If done properly 100% success rate.
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Tlaloc
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Fine, just expect to be disappointed.
true, but the number who actually practice is minimal.
By all means try to be better. But if you want to devise education programs that bank on people being perfect according to your personal dogma expect it to be an abysmal failure. Not everyone agrees with your perspective that abstinence is better. Not everyone would follow it even if they did agree. Rather than that I’ll go with a program that takes into account human nature and provides the least risk all around.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Sometimes the obvious eludes people.
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Pug
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Let’s tell people who is allowed to reproduce and when they may do it and how many kids they may have. Gee, this should solve our immigration problem as well.
Iran is starting to look good.
(I’m joking, folks)
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mommy
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Well in this society where we are all told we should do whatever feels good whenever we want, wherever we want, with whoever we want, yea sure.
But little by little we can make a difference. I want that slope to start slippin’ the other way.
From some reading I’ve done, it seems that this younger generation may not be as open to all the free love as the last generation. A Great Sign.
I want a generation who strives to be better, who takes responsibility. Not one who rationalizes and makes excuses, I know you seem perfectly happy with it, but I think the tide may be turning.
Well isn’t your suggested education programs based on your personal dogma - the one of abortion, the pill, and sex? At least I based my beliefs in the history of 2000 years of church teachings. Even protestant churches were against birth control til early in the last century. This abort it if it happens mentality came along with the whole feminst movement, which has done NOTHING for women.
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Tlaloc
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It hasn’t been effective in any society, not even when the church ruled the western world. It doesn’t even work in the strictest islamic countries where women can be stoned to death for having sex outside of marriage.
My suggestion is based on what seems to work the best. Teaching both abstinence and contraception along side sex ed.
Really? Cause it sort of seems like it helped get women the vote in its earlies incarnation and since then has helped them become more independent and free to pursue the life they want. But if you say that’s nothing then I guess it is…
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SusanL
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Let’s not hijack this thread into the feminist movement. If you want to talk about the feminist movement then please start another thread.
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SusanL
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BTW, I will not add to the evils of this world by advocating birth control.
Tlaloc, I don’t know what your religious affiliation is (or even your gender) but as Catholics, we stand in alignment with the Pope and the teachings of the Catholic Church. Before I converted, I dismissed certain teachings because they didn’t make sense to me as the world taught me. After I converted and became convinced that the Catholic Church knew what it talking about, I found out why their teachings make sense in God’s world.
Now this may only make sense if you believe with the Pope but do you remember the Biblical story of Jesus asleep in the boat during a storm? Peter and the others were experienced and hardy fishermen but they were truly scared. Jesus trusted in God our Father so he rested and waited. I like to think that maybe Peter learned a lesson in trust in Jesus, too.
The point is: I truly believe what the Popes have taught throughout history as in regards to faith and morals. They spoke as the Vicar of Christ.
Suggested reading: “Life-Giving Love” by Kimberly Hahn.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Tlaloc, I don’t know what your religious affiliation is (or even your gender) but as Catholics, we stand in alignment with the Pope and the teachings of the Catholic Church. Before I converted, I dismissed certain teachings because they didn’t make sense to me as the world taught me. After I converted and became convinced that the Catholic Church knew what it talking about, I found out why their teachings make sense in God’s world.
Now this may only make sense if you believe with the Pope but do you remember the Biblical story of Jesus asleep in the boat during a storm? Peter and the others were experienced and hardy fishermen but they were truly scared. Jesus trusted in God our Father so he rested and waited. I like to think that maybe Peter learned a lesson in trust in Jesus, too.
The point is: I truly believe what the Popes have taught throughout history as in regards to faith and morals. They spoke as the Vicar of Christ.
Suggested reading: “Life-Giving Love” by Kimberly Hahn.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
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