If I understand what you are saying, you are agreeing with what I said, is that what you are saying?Knowledge doesn’t necessarily entail causation, Tom.
Actually, the commandment is NOT about killing, it is about murdering.And also do you know that David, Abraham had wars. Didn’t David kill some(Goliath). Wasn’t David ancestor of Jesus?
What is the difference?Actually, the commandment is NOT about killing, it is about murdering.
Well, in case you have never thought about it, I will bring up one thing and it is not the only thing and for that I will ask you a question, have you ever been in the service?What is the difference?
That I knew. So a leader has the right to command on killing, although s/he is not in place of divine justice, yet an individual cannot. How the leader get the authority? Does a solider is responsible for his/her action?Well, in case you have never thought about it, I will bring up one thing and it is not the only thing and for that I will ask you a question, have you ever been in the service?
By service, I mean in the armed forces of any country.
A soldier, just to pick one out of one of the services, can murder some one or can kill some one without it being murder or do you disagree?
There are other ways that someone can kill someone else without it being murder and as I pointed out “the commandment is NOT about killing, it is about murdering”.
That is the “difference”.
Wasn’t killing Goliath self defense?And also do you know that David, Abraham had wars. Didn’t David kill some(Goliath). Wasn’t David ancestor of Jesus?
Another of you false dilemmas. Jesus, as a man, had a beginning in time, so he had no eternal freedom. But since his human nature was assumed by God the Son ( the Second Person of the Trinity ) he knew form the moment of his conception what the Divine Nature willed what he should know about the future. His human will was conformed to the Divine Will, freely, from the moment of his conception. You falsely concluded that he was not free. You have no logical basis for this conclusion, it is just a preconceived notion that you have of his freedom. It is the same error you have made concerning the freedom of God’s will in other posts. In other words your own belief system has restricted your logic. For if God exists, after the Catholic notion, he is obviously free. For if he were not free, he would not be God. Right? So there is no dilemma in the fact that Jesus is the Christ, God the Son.Lets put fact together:
A) God knows future
B) Free will is the ability to decide freely knowing the options
C) Lets assume that God has free will
Now lets bring God/Jesus on the board. The key question is that how Jesus could be free for eternity? Jesus is of course was aware of future and he could not do contrary since that is against divine knowledge. This means that God has put himself in a situation which cannot do otherwise for eternity which is problematic since he will be powerless for eternity. In simple word, he cannot pick up a stone if the stone is supposed to be there hence he does not have any power and any ability.
Reality is reality, the way reality is set up is that a country can declare war on another country.That I knew. So a leader has the right to command on killing, although s/he is not in place of divine justice, yet an individual cannot. How the leader get the authority? Does a solider is responsible for his/her action?
Another of you false dilemmas. Jesus, as a man, had a beginning in time, so he had no eternal freedom. But since his human nature was assumed by God the Son ( the Second Person of the Trinity ) he knew form the moment of his conception what the Divine Nature willed what he should know about the future. His human will was conformed to the Divine Will, freely, from the moment of his conception. You falsely concluded that he was not free. You have no logical basis for this conclusion, it is just a preconceived notion that you have of his freedom. It is the same error you have made concerning the freedom of God’s will in other posts. In other words your own belief system has restricted your logic. For if God exists, after the Catholic notion, he is obviously free. For if he were not free, he would not be God. Right? So there is no dilemma in the fact that Jesus is the Christ, God the Son.
And what is the consequence of God’s non-existence? If he does not exist, nothing else exists either. But we do exist, the universe exists, therefore God exists - and he is free.
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Killing or murdering is bad and as far as I know self-defense with outcome killing is not allowed in Christianity. Jesus said:“If someone slap on your face then turn your face”. Sorry I don’t remember the exact phrase.Reality is reality, the way reality is set up is that a country can declare war on another country.
You or anyone else can comment on this but part of “my definition” of what a war is, is that killing is legalized, I am not saying all killing but at least some, more so than when two countries are not at war.
An individual can kill legally at times, one of the legal terms is “justifiable homicide”.
Plenty of people kill in self-defense.
As far as, “Does a solider is responsible for his/her action?”
Did I not write, “A soldier, just to pick one out of one of the services, can murder some one or can kill some one without it being murder or do you disagree?”
Not all “killing” by a soldier is legal and/or justified and not all killing by a soldier is murder, just as not all killing by individuals is murder.
As I have said in other places, just because something is legal does not mean that it is right and just because something is illegal does not mean that it is wrong, it just means that it is legal or illegal.
2 is false, because agents’ choices determine the future.
- God knows everything
- Future is fixed
- God knows fixed future
- God incarnates as Jesus
- Jesus can only have access to what is changeable
- There is only one option available on the spot since future is fixed
- Hence, Jesus cannot decide
One can kill in self defense if it is the only way to escape the attacker. There are other conditions like it can’t be before or after the attack it has to be during.Killing or murdering is bad and as far as I know self-defense with outcome killing is not allowed in Christianity. Jesus said:“If someone slap on your face then turn your face”. Sorry I don’t remember the exact phrase.
No, only a agent who doesn’t know the future can choose. Was Jesus God?2 is false, because agents’ choices determine the future.
a. Free agents can choose
b. Jesus is a free agent
c. Hence, Jesus can choose.
Death penalty is self-defense, Seriously!?One can kill in self defense if it is the only way to escape the attacker. There are other conditions like it can’t be before or after the attack it has to be during.
Also, the death penalty is considered self defense in a way because it protects the community
Edit: Catholics support just war which is self defense
Yes, it’s usually for murder or treasonDeath penalty is self-defense, Seriously!?
But we can keep them alive.Yes, it’s usually for murder or treason
Sometimes they can manipulate other people to obey them in prisons, it can be dangerous to keep them alive. They might kill more peopleBut we can keep them alive.
Why?No, only a agent who doesn’t know the future can choose.
YesWas Jesus God?
Because, there exist only one eternal act and one future.Why?
Do you still believe that Jesus was God regarding previous comment!?
Yes there is one future but God knows all the possibilities of what could have happened and the resultsBecause, there exist only one eternal act and one future.
Do you still believe that Jesus was God regarding previous comment!?