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I prefer to listen rather than argue or discuss. I find this conversion story fascinating on several levels.
 
Hitler wasn’t Christian, but yes, many were. And do you know why? Because of men like Martian Luther, a vicious anti-Semite. I found a mistake in your post, the Gemara and Mishnah make up the Talmud. The Talmud isn’t a separate work from the Gemara. The Mishnah and Gemara make up the Talmud. To put it simple: Gemara is commentary on the Mishnah! I happen to be Orthodox, so I fail to understand your point that HaShem isn’t a diety. My upbringing says He is. While your approach is philosophical, it fails to comprehend who - or what - G-d really is. You know, you should really talk to my rav. Please take no offense at that.
 
@pro18guy

I’ve seen that interview before, but do you know, notice how there’s one Jew who joins Christianity every blue moon, just as we have Jews for Krishna, or Jews for Buddha. Why is it that for 2,000 years, Jews have resisted the teachings of the Church? I mean, the people who were THERE, who READ in the holy tongue? How come they can’t be driven to Jesus? If there was any value in the NT to attract us to it and leave Talmud, believe me, We’d be in Church right now, like you.
 
@Psalms62, okay, real quick as I’m racing here before Shabbat!

Olam HaBa literally means the World to Come in the Messianic Age. Any Jew whose left Torah for Jesus is in direct rebellion to G-d because we know where the truth lies. We know about it because it’s in Talmud, our Chazal. You say you were once Jewish, so I’m surprised you don’t know this term. Being a Christian, you automatically reject the Oral Torah, so you can’t define yourself by it. Being obedient to the Apostales is not the same as being obedient to Torah.

Thank you for that little snippet on the Karaites; you misread me there, I know who they were, and they’re not related to the Sadducees, nor they to the sons of Zadok. Karaism was founded by a jealous man.

The Zohar is of divine origin and most Jews - let’s say 99% of them - believe it to one degree or another, even if they know very little about it.

Shalom (peace)
 
God bless you Rabbi, from a future Orthodox Christian. We may disagree on religion but I can see that you’re an honorable man from the posts I’ve seen. I hope that you had a blessed Sabbath and I mean that with all due respect, I hope I wasn’t overstepping by saying that. :v:t2:
 
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I mean, the people who were THERE, who READ in the holy tongue? How come they can’t be driven to Jesus?
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Uh, they were driven to Jesus. In droves. Not all of them of course, but many.
 
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Not that taking a course in a classroom is–or should be–such an easy thing either.
 
I disagree about your statement regarding the Zohar. Most Jews cannot believe it because they know next to nothing about the Zohar. Even some/many Orthodox Jews do NOT study the Zohar. And its divine origin? I don’t know about that either. Certainly it is not divine, even to many Orthodox Jews, in the same way that the Torah, including the Oral Torah, are considered divinely inspired.
 
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You need not renounce anything to embrace what we firmly believe is the Jewish Messiah. I ask: When was G-d ever silent with the Jewish people for 2,000 years? And why over the past 2,000?

In Catholicism, we enter into an intimate relationship with G-d the Father via the Son, and through the power of the Holy Spirit - you certainly know this. It is all about a loving, deeply inspiring relationship - one which transcends race or creed.

Are you familiar with Saint John of the Cross or Saint Teresa of Avila? They were great mystics whose spiritual journeys were profound beyond words - a reflection of the infinite G-d who called them to a relationship with Him.
 
I take it you mean G-d is silent with regard to prophecy? But surely not with regard to the spiritual experiences of the Jewish people as a collective nation as well as those of individual Jews. No more silent, that is, than is Jesus Himself for the past approximately 2000 years.
 
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No, not at all. But, no temple. No atoning sacrifices. The disabling of the Mosaic law as it pertains to the temple. No recollection from the diaspora - yet. But, we here are living breathing members of Christ’s Body. He is not silent, but speaks constantly to us and through us. If we remain in a state of grace, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit who vivifies our faith life. Miracles. Incorrupt bodies of Saints. The Sacraments. Healing (personally, from three cancers simultaneously in 2015).

Just saying.
 
This is all applicable to Jews as well, of course within the parameters of their religion. G-d speaks to us and through our behavior, we too have miracles (as do nearly all religions), and in lieu of the Sacraments we have G-d’s Law written in our minds and on our hearts to bind us as a nation, culture, and as individuals. Atonement through prayer, fasting, and good deeds, the chief means even in ancient times. Not a bad deal for either of us.

Stay well.
 
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Interestingly there is a big movement in Israel among Israeli Jews who have converted to Christianity and are actively evangelizing the Jewish masses:

 
The masses in Israel and elsewhere, in Judaism as in other religions, are often quite ignorant of the teachings of their own faith. Conversion is much easier as a result of this.
 
All true. However, Catholics (Jew or Gentile) partake of the Divine Nature, which is unprecedented. The fathers of the faith long ago declared/recognized that Yeshúa fulfilled all prophesies and failed to fulfill none. To me, at least, that is telling.

What we often overlook is that Christianity is not a gentile religion, or a “white man’s religion.” It is 100% Jewish and we lowly gentiles have been adopted. For that reason, we value fasting, abstinence and alms giving, as extolled in the Book of Tobit.

And, as we have been adopted, we may also be pruned from the vine.
 
The more one studies Judaism and the Torah the more on realizes that it is fulfilled in the New Testament. The problem is that rabbinic Judaism became a new religion founded specifically to dissuade Jews from finding Christ. Jews in Israel evangelizing for Christ are thoroughly well versed in apologetics, for example:

 
Jesus was a very strict, very devout Jew. As were His family.

We must not forget the fully human Jesus was Jewish.
 
There are many guest on the board who may not be familiar with some of terms we’re using so I asked for a definition.

As far as misreading reading your post and regarding the Karaites, again I’m allowing others to get familiar with the different sects of Judaism. I will note later another movement in Judaism…

I’m Jewish by descent - yet, my religion is Christian. Although I feel I should have gotten a heads up. The “Halacha” because by definition: Halakha (Hebrew: הֲלָכָה, Sephardic: [halaˈχa]; also transliterated as halacha or halachah) or halocho (Ashkenazic: [haˈloχo]) is the collective body of Jewish religious laws derived from the Written and Oral Torah. The term Torah means instruction - The word “Torah” in Hebrew is derived from the root ירה, which in the hif’il conjugation means “to guide/teach” (cf. Lev 10:11). The meaning of the word is therefore “teaching”, “doctrine”, or “instruction”;

These three words (teaching, doctrine and instructions) are exactly what Jesus accomplished. Through halacha, certain Torah laws can be loosed, meaning their punishment is not enforced at that time, while others can be bound, meaning they are in force for those under the covenant. For instance, because the temple does not exist, the laws about the sacrifices were loosed through a halacha decree of the sages. From a Christian perspective, that’s what Jesus meant by telling the Disciples that whatever they bound and loosed was bound and loosed in heaven, meaning they could decree through halach that certain laws were no longer to be observed.

Here is some info about the subject of halacha and binding and loosing:

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/3307-binding-and-loosing
 
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Thank you @J_the_Centrist! I did have a blessed Shabbat. May HaShem (G-d) keep you and your family safe.
 
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