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Shalom, @meltzerboy2,

Yes, while it is true that not all Orthodox Jews are Kabbalists, it is obvious beyond a doubt that sefer HaZohar is of divine origin. The best evidence I can think of the moment is Klal Yisroel. G-d would not let us fall into darkness. If it ins’t true, than G-d has either a) lied, or b) abandoned us as a people. We both know neither is possible.

Kol Tov, and Chag Sameach
 
Shalom. As I recall, G-d was never silent towards the Jewish people. What about the “passed 2,000 years”? Has He? We knew what we were in for with G’lut, and we don’t have enough mitzvot to attain prophecy until HaMashiach.

Yes, you have a loving and warm relationship with Jesus. I’m glad of that. I have one with G-d. Yes, if Saint Teresa reflects G-d, so does our Rebbe. Would you agree?
 
I’m sorry, but this is very bad stuff your preaching. As if the rabbis cared to make Rabbinic Judaism as a “reaction” to Christianity! I’m sorry, but this is offensive to me as I’m sure it’d be to you for me to say that the Church Fathers’ wrote their works as a “reaction” to the Mishnah. This argument is very flawed. I don’t mean any cruelness here, but you cannot use it. There is a LOT of biblical evidence which utterly SUPPORTS our Oral tradition, even the New Testament attests to this. Tell me what else Jesus means when he mentions the “Shabbat’s day journey” in the Book of Acts? Clearly, the New Testament authors followed the Oral Torah. One cannot understand the Bible without it, nor access the secrets.
 
We must be carefully nuanced here. The substantial, yet not insurmountable hurdle which must be supered is our response to the call of G-d to an infinitely closer, more substantial relationship with Him. A union both of natures and of spirits. Catholic and Orthodox Christians partake of the divine Nature.

This is something that goes quite beyond human understanding. It is a concept that must be - can only be - appreciated in historical context as the fulfillment of prophecy. It cannot be looked forward to, as that is too nebulous and indistinct. It must be gazed back upon. It must be pondered within the human heart’s search for its Maker.

No other relationship, whether inspired by love or hate, does that or can do that. It is predicated on the condescension of G-d to share human nature so as to redeem human nature, but - this is crucial - without altering or sacrificing one iota of His divinity. But, “share” is here mentioned not only in the context of the taking of human nature, but also in the context of distributing the grace of His Divine nature to those truly undeserving. Only an omnipotent G-d can create what man calls the hypostatic union.

Man cannot create union with G-d, as that is impossible. G-d on the other hand, freely chose to create a means for creation to be eternally united with Creator.

Yet, we are not a purely intellectual faith. The intellect may seek knowledge of G-d, but lacking the spiritual aspect, it remains shallow, even academic. Again, if the spiritual does not accord with, and meld with the intellectual, both forever remain stunted, unsatisfying, unfulfilling.

No one denies the loving, fearful relationship that many monotheistic religions have with G-d. Our elder Jewish brothers stand as irrefutable evidence of this. Where Catholic/Orthodox Christians differ is in the Divine nature being infused into us by the Word made Flesh. G-d cannot be less than He is, but in the assumption of human nature, Creator then bridges the gap, sharing in our nature so that we may share in His.

In an obvious example, Moses was as close to G-d as any man who ever trod this earth. Yet, he witnessed the Divine nature without partaking of it. Sacramental Christians have been called even closer to G-d, into union with Him, both physically and spiritually/mystically.

It is a fascinating subject and one which requires the active involvement of both intellect and spirit to comprehend.
 
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As if the rabbis cared to make Rabbinic Judaism as a “reaction” to Christianity! I’m sorry, but this is offensive to me
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I don’t mean to offend. Let’s discuss.
All one needs to do is read the Talmud. The Talmud wa written by rabbis who preached against Jesus. but I will let two Israeli Jews explain it to everyone here:

 
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There is a LOT of biblical evidence which utterly SUPPORTS our Oral tradition, even the New Testament attests to this
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This is sussinctly addressed and dispatched here. Very interesting:

 
Thank you! And you as well and may you be Blessed with every Blessing. All the best.
 
The claim that any part of halacha which is in the Gemara (i.e., Talmud), was mane made and not from Sinai is pure nonesense. I will soon publish a piece on here I’m hard at work explaining why the Oral Torah is of divine origin. It is very easy to refute those Christian Jews, no offense. But truth is more important than anything, would you agree?
 
And by that I mean your last post on the thread lest anyone be confused what I’m suggesting.
 
You are very kind. There are times when I am weak that G-d’s presence, His inspiration of you will, is strong. If anything I type makes sense, praise the Spirit of the L-rd G-d of Israel. If what I type is nonsense or grates on the nerves, it was the best I could do.
 
I couldn’t have said it any better myself! That’s not meaningless praise.
 
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truth is more important than anything, would you agree?
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Yes. God is the Source of Truth and it was Jesus Who said I AM The Way, The Truth and The Life.

The problem is that even in the face of truth people can spin up all kinds of rationalizations to try to refute all the evidence. we see this in court trials. The OJ Simpson defense dream team were experts at rationalizing arguments against the obvious.

Judaism today is a newer religion than Christianity, and has no resemblance to the Judaism practiced before in the 1st century, being that there no longer is a temple, no sacrifice and no priesthood. Here is a short video worth watching:


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I’ve had some very good teachers. Years back, I has the great privilege of a relatively brief online interchange with Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein. He expressed his thought that, of all the world’s religions, Catholicism had the great advantage of teachings which could not change. He spoke this in the context of Catholic-Jewish dialog, but that same immutability of beliefs and teaching are our foundation here on earth.
 
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Judaism today is a newer religion than Christianity, and has no resemblance to the Judaism practiced before in the 1st century, being that there no longer is a temple, no sacrifice and no priesthood. Here is a short video worth watching:
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Nope!! You must not have heard of the Jews in Ethiopia, and other places in Africa.
 
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Nope!! You must not have heard of the Jews in Ethiopia, and other places in Africa.
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Again, there is no temple, no priesthood and no sacrifices since the destruction of the temple in 70AD Judaism today is an offspring of the Talmud.
Happily realize that the Old Testament is fulfilled in Jesus Christ.
Here is a short video by two Jewish apologists that everyone in this thread should watch:

 
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The Jews of Ethiopia follow patterns in the Mishnah; they had, and still have to one degree or another, the Oral Torah before it was written - about four centuries ago before Yehudah HaNasi, when they left, some, of course leaving before then when Moshe took his army down under instructions of the Egyptian court (you’ll only find that in the Mideast, as I recall).

Again, I’m writing a good response which will explain rabbinic authority. If any of you want my paper on hashkafa and it’s relation to halacha, or perhaps my paper refuting DH theory, or even the one which shows undeniable evidence that the prophets mention the Oral Law, let alone Jesus, who was a Pharisee by the way, just let me now and I’ll ship the updated versions (the Mishnah in Ethiopian tradition is a nice bonus). They will soon all be online at my blog (no, I didn’t join this site to promote it). Along with them, I have an unfinished project debunking Dalton Thomas, a famed Holocaust denier. If interested, let me know.

But the first thing I’ll do tmr is post the one proving rabbinic authority.
 
Gab123, I’m sorry but your wrong here. Biblical Judaism and Rabbinic Judaism are one the same. I’ve done some deep research into the tradition of the Essenes, and guess what? They followed almost the exact same Oral Torah. Josephus too. Jesus followed the Oral Torah, otherwise, explain what he means in the Book of Acts by a “Shabbat’s day journey”? You can’t without the Talmud. You have no clue what he’s saying. It’s obvious he taught us Oral Torah, what is he doing in Matthew saying that the rabbis sit in Moshe’s seat?

I would also just add that Rabbinic Judaism was in no way a “response,” or a form of “rationale” against Christianity. If Jesus were Turkey the Messiah, you could look out your window or read the New York Times, it’d say “World Peace at last.” The rabbis has nothing personal against Jesus. We simply look at our Hebrew Bible - yes, we read the holy tongue - and compare it to the New Testament. Believe me, don’t think for a second that if the Jewish people knew the truth of Christianity they wouldn’t come running on their knees, asking a priest for forgiveness. I don’t mean this on any harsh terms, but if we thought the New Testament was more than just a great book all should read - for much wisdom is in there - this conversation wouldn’t be happening online. We’d all be in Church. End of story.

It is my prayer however that we can have a meaningful dialogue, in which all parties take away love and learning from each other.

Shalom (peace) to you and your family. May G-d bless you eternal happiness.
 
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