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As mentioned, you need not reject Talmud. It is not the abandoning of anything or anyone. Via repentance, it is freedom from the 613 laws - many of which can no longer be observed. Laws which did not always exist and which were not intended to always exist - G-d well knew of the destruction of both temples. Did He not provide for His chosen in such an eventuality?

It is the embracing of the fullest expression of prophecy; of accepting what we believe is G-d’s call to temporal union with him, as a precursor to eternal union with Him. It is not a rejection of anything Jewish. Heaven forbid! Rather it is the fulfillment of a promise made long ago; the promise made by One Who can neither deceive nor be deceived.

Otherwise, eyewitnesses cannot be trusted, and millions of martyrs over two millennia died for nothing.

The foregoing disregards the abundant spiritual confirmation that Yeshua is more than just a historical figure.
 
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Rabbi said:
Jesus followed the Oral Torah, otherwise, explain what he means in the Book of Acts by a “Shabbat’s day journey”? You can’t without the Talmud.
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First realize that Jesus didn’t say that in the Book of Acts. The Book of Acts is describing what occurred when the apostles replaced Judas. The Sabbath’s day journey referred to the distance the Jews were permitted to travel on the Sabbath day, again, manmade rules, not God’s command. Jesus rejected the man-made traditions that had nothing to do with the will of God. Thus everyone must realize that the Talmud is merely a collection of writings by rabbis over many centuries, some of whom were rabidly hateful against Jesus thus they denigrated Him in their writings. One can notice the stark contrast between the Torah Scriptures and the Talmud…
 
The Oral tradition is solid rock! For example, in the NT, the rebellion at Kore is mentioned. Two who opposed Moses in that rebellion are named: Jannes and Jambres.

They appear nowhere in the OT. How were their actions and even their identities (to their everlasting shame) preserved?

The Oral tradition.

A certain Pharisee, Saul of Tarsus, recorded in written form what had been handed on orally since the days of Moses.
 
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po18guy said:
The Oral tradition is solid rock!
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Yes. In the Church this is called Sacred Tradition. The problem is when one confuses the traditions of men with Sacred Tradition . Jesus excoriated the pharisees with their man-made traditions. The rabbis continued with their man-made traditions, which is what the Talmud is all about. One should not confuse the Oral Torah with the writings of the rabbis in the Talmud.
 
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The Zohar is of divine origin and most Jews - let’s say 99% of them - believe it to one degree or another, even if they know very little about it.
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Is that how one acquires the title of “Sefer”?
 
Huge difference - and we’d best not fall for the reformation’s red herring of the word “tradition.” They themselves adhere to tradition.

All writing, indeed everything handed on is a tradition, as it was spoken for decades before being reduced to written form. There were no stenographers at the last supper, or in the boat on the Sea of Galilee, or on the mount of the Beatitudes.
 
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The Jews of Ethiopia follow patterns in the Mishnah; they had, and still have to one degree or another, the Oral Torah before it was written - about four centuries ago before Yehudah HaNasi, when they left, some, of course leaving before then when Moshe took his army down under instructions of the Egyptian court (you’ll only find that in the Mideast, as I recall).
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A little education about this never hurts:

The book, translated from Hebrew to the ancient Ge’ez language, was written hundreds of years ago and was used by, among others, the great spiritual leader of Ethiopian Jews in the Tigray Region Kes Isaac Yaso The original hand-written manuscript of the “Oreiyt” (the word stems from the Aramaic word “oreiyta,” meaning Torah) contains the Five Books of Moses along with the books of Joshua, Judges and the Book of Ruth. The Oreiyt is part of the matsahaf qados (the Holy Scripture) of the Ethiopian community. of the Jews of Ethiopia Reaches Jerusalem New Acquisitions Newsletter Access from Home to Leading Israeli Periodicals After Centuries: A Rare Bible of the Jews of Ethiopia Reaches Jerusalem
 
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All writing, indeed everything handed on is a tradition, as it was spoken for decades before being reduced to written form.
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Again, the difference between Sacred Tradition and the traditions of men. Regarding was Jesus (GOD) who stated:
"But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you".
 
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It’s obvious he taught us Oral Torah, what is he doing in Matthew saying that the rabbis sit in Moshe’s seat?
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Posek (Hebrew: פוסק‬ [poˈsek], pl. Poskim , פוסקים‬ [pos’kim]) is the term in Jewish lawfor “decisor”—a legal scholar who decides the Halakha in cases of law where previous authorities are inconclusive or in those situations where no halakhic precedent exists.

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Thus poskim will not overrule a specific law, unless based on an earlier authority: a posek will generally extend a law to new situations, but will not change the Halakhah; see further under Orthodox Judaism.**

Moses Sofer (Schreiber), Sofer applied a pun to the Talmudic term chadash asur min haTorah , “‘new’ is forbidden by the Torah” (referring literally to eating chadash , “new grain”, before the Omer offering is given) as a slogan heralding his opposition to any philosophical, social or practical change to customary Orthodox practice
 

Shulchan Aruch​

Acouple of notes under this title: ( Moses613 - you wrote about this in your response to my post on another thread - differences between ashkenazi and sephardic)

The halachic rulings in the Shulchan Aruch generally follow Sephardic law and customs, whereas Ashkenazi Jews will generally follow the halachic rulings of Moses Isserles, whose glosses to the Shulchan Aruch note where the Sephardic and Ashkenazi customs differ.

See The standard authorities:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shulchan_Aruch
 
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even the New Testament attests to this. Tell me what else Jesus means when he mentions the “Shabbat’s day journey” in the Book of Acts? Clearly, the New Testament authors followed the Oral Torah. One cannot understand the Bible without it, nor access the secrets.
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The earliest Christians were all Jewish - thus the language, cultural norms - you name it - were 100% Jewish. That contemporary audience would clearly and immediately know the meaning of the term term “Sabbath day’s journey.”

There is neither evidence nor reasonable expectation that the NT writers imagined that we would be reading translations of their words almost 2,000 years later.
 
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I think we have been over this before…I just have a difficult time in totally accepting your source of information. Especially the part in that video that says, “Jesus knew that tradition produces religion and religion distances us from God, and leads us to focus on what is unimportant, on meaningless deeds.”
If that were true, where would we get The Last Supper? Or Jesus standing up and reading from the Torah? Not to mention The Blessed Mother and St. Joseph finding Jesus in the temple!
 
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I just have a difficult time in totally accepting your source of information.
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The Israeli apologists in the videos are not Catholic; they are Jews who refute the the onslaught of claims by Jewish rabbis, that Jesus Christ is not the messiah and that the oral tradition we see in the Torah passed on to the rabbis who wrote the Talmud. Catholicism indeed accepts the Old Testament as inspired by God, whereas the Talmud, written after the Resurrection and foundation of the Church, is not from the same Holy Spirit that inspired the Sacred Scriptures; it is a different spirit altogether. Thus in the Talmud you will read awful things against Jesus and Christians.
 
I am not sure that you are completely comprehending what I am saying…
 
Sefer means… book, as you’ll recall. For all those who keep the eternal mitzvot of today’s special day, Chag Sameach!
 
Please don’t take this with any offense, but you are speaking lies, they either stem form a) ignorance of Talmud, or b) anti-Semetism. I know you’re not the latter, no worries. Sadly, however, you are ignorant of Talmud simply because you didn’t grow up Jewish! I admit I was wrong there about the Book of Acts, it was written after Jesus’ time, whoever said so was correct. I was mistaken, and I ask your forgivness. But as far as the Talmud goes, please consider the opinion of a Jew who’s studied it, who partakes in daf yomi (one page of Talmud a day, completion in about 7 years): the Talmud has nothing to say of Jesus. Nothing. If that’s what you get out of those Jewish apologists, I’m sorry, they don’t know their Talmud either. The Jesus spoken of in the Talmud lived approximately a hundred years before the Jesus of the Gospels, and any thin connections that can be made just happen to be pure coincidence. Also, for all those who suggest that the Mishnah/Gemara make strong contractions against Torah law, I can assure you that these rabbis were well aware of Torah, mistakes would not come easily, and if they did, you’ll find that its usually cleared up in either Rashi’s commentary or in any one of a number of Tosafists.
 
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