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KendraDZ1902
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Teens are labeled murderers, thieves, etc. Those aren’t despicable, but what he is being called is? He admitted to it.
The Duggars Respond to Reports That Josh Duggar Was Accused of Child Molestation
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KendraDZ1902
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I just hope you learn what “celebrating perversion” means, because being on his side definitely doesn’t help the victims and it does seem like it is celebrating perversion when you side with the person who did the perversion.
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SurlyMermaid
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My nagging question is, “Who did this to him?”
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Cake_or_Death
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Any male who goes around groping other people is morally sick, lets call a spade a spade here. He was/is (who knows yet) a sexual deviant in the truest sense of the word and I find it deeply patronizing that this fellow has had the gall to paint the rest of society, Christians and non-belivers of all stripes as dirty evil nymphomaniacs while he’s fiddling himself.
As a side note seriously, why is it always the right wing family organizations who get these creeps as leaders? I don’t doubt there are cases of it but I don’t ever remember Atheist Ireland having a sex abuse expose, but Family First here has had a good six or seven in recent years despite them both being organizations of similar size.
Haha, yeah that sounds more like a typical teenage boy to meDefinitely not normal behavior. I had a brother who was only 17 months younger than me. So, by the time we were teens, he was my “big” little brother. He was the typical boy. Mom found Playboy magazines and sometimes he spent wayyy too long in the shower.He didn’t go around touching females inappropriately. Most teens don’t.
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Darryl_Revok
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The “mak[ing] the world a better place” is all relative, especially when it comes to the FRC.
And, come on, this isn’t a normal teenage mistake, like shoplifting from Hot Topic, buying beer with a fake ID, or joyriding; this is sexual molestation committed multiple times. If he were the son or anyone else, lived anywhere else, or was of a different race, he’d have to go door to door every time he moved into a new neighborhood.
Finally, the FRC is obsessed with sexual sin; part of their whole raison d’être is protecting children from the vileness of American society. If they kept someone in a prominent position who preyed on children, no matter how long ago in the past, then it would immediately render them hypocritical and irrelevant–well, even moreso.
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Colorad007
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If you understand a thing about grace it is that your past does not define you. I admire Josh Duggar for understanding God’s mercy better than those who wish to define him by his sin.
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Colorad007
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Oh please. Child abuse is indeed deviant and sick, but to assume that the man hasn’t overcome sin is absurd. Allow him to seek the we.redemption we all need without making a spectacle of his distant past.Any male who goes around groping other people is morally sick, lets call a spade a spade here. He was/is (who knows yet) a sexual deviant in the truest sense of the word and I find it deeply patronizing that this fellow has had the gall to paint the rest of society, Christians and non-belivers of all stripes as dirty evil nymphomaniacs while he’s fiddling himself.
As a side note seriously, why is it always the right wing family organizations who get these creeps as leaders? I don’t doubt there are cases of it but I don’t ever remember Atheist Ireland having a sex abuse expose, but Family First here has had a good six or seven in recent years despite them both being organizations of similar size.
Haha, yeah that sounds more like a typical teenage boy to me
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Cake_or_Death
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There is so much irony in this post I’m literally curled up laughing in my chair.
Repentant or not would you let a sex offender work as a pre-school teacher with little girls? Why have we got one leading a self proclaimed “family” organization?
I personally hope he has overcome his sin, for want of a better euphemism. That he has stopped would be a good thing, but that doesn’t mean one should be putting him into an environment where he is supposed to be leading on these issues.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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I got to disagree here. Almost every 14 year old boy, including me, spent a lot of time trying to “Cop a feel” It isn’t right, it is not behavior that should go unchecked it is behavior that should be corrected, but the story of Josh, whatever happened, should serve to give pause to all parents who blindly send their kids off to youth groups and retreats and are not intricately involved. Honestly, this should be a warning to others, Now, I am going on the idea that incest/incest actions were not involved.
If it was indeed a family member that was abused… I just cannot apply the same logic to it. Perhaps it is my own revulsion.
At first I thought TLC should cancel, but now I am thinking that there needs to be at least one more show detailing what happened. All of this redacted reports and “statements” on FB are just a bunch of bunk. Man up, look the camera in the eye and come clean…
Then, Jim Bob needs to apologize first and foremost to his family for doing this TV thing, and then to the rest of the viewers who have followed them. Like I said before that is some moxie if you had some skeletons that big in your not too distant past and then chose to be one of the biggest reality TV shows for 10 years. Seriously? How many interviews or covers of people magazine was this family on? And it is just coming up now? And it is when Josh makes moves in the arena of politics? Odd.
Meanwhile, Bill Clinton is tied to a child molester who owns an island and Hillary will be the next prez, but if you mention that, you are just a bitter republican.
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SWolf
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I understand where you are coming from and sympathize.
However, please realize that a person when he is 14 is dramatically different than the same person when he is 27.
I did Juvenile Detention ministry for six years. I saw kids there for egregious crimes, gang warfare, stealing from houses, sex abuse, etc. I had the pleasure of seeing a couple of them after they grew up. I never thought in my mind he’s still a thief and felon. They are different now.
No ,I wouldn’t describe a kid who messed up horribly when he was very young and repented later in life a pervert. He did a perverted act when young and confused, that does not make it his being as an adult.
Some never repented, or got their life in order. They are now in prison and the label is apt. It’s now, unfortunately, who they are.
I’m also glad this kid didn’t end up in one of the detention centers, but was dealt with outside the system. The outcome would have been much, much worse is Juvy.
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KendraDZ1902
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People are defined by their sin all the time and most molesters would be defined their whole life and have to be registered sex offenders. Are you not for that? Would you like a sexual predator living next to your child’s school? Wouldn’t you want to know if your neighbor was convicted of sex crimes?
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Sophie_Lawrence
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Hmm, so you think he was acting out on past experiences?
That is a possibility. I hadn’t thought of that.
That normally is the case when younger children are sexually aggressive, that’s a sign to look for when looking for evidence of child abuse.
14 is a little old to be acting in a curious manner. I remember an incident in second grade where the boys were hiding under a metal staircase to look up under the girl’s skirts. The boys were about 8, they were being curious, not molestors.
He could have been raised in such a sheltered fashion that at 14, he was very immature.
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KendraDZ1902
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Just confused? Multiple girls and we don’t actually know how many times it happened with said girls. That just isn’t confusion and we don’t know if there are others.
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Darryl_Revok
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The world always finds a way to punish hubris.
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Colorad007
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Actually, no. Because.“sex offender” can mean anything from “she said she was 16” to something that happened when they were children themselves. And of course those people.don’t worry me. Besides, most abuse happens in families or by close friends and relatives. So even if my neighbor was a “predator” he would not have the kind of access to my daughter he would need to do something awful.
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LongingSoul
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It’s true that an official diagnosis of such a condition can only be made at 16 years of age and the victims need to be 5 years younger or more. But this was obviously predatory behaviour and even after he was discovered he re-offended. I grew up with two brothers and raised two sons to adulthood myself and I never encountered such behaviour. Perhaps males could say that this is within the bounds of normal teen behaviour but to me a female, I think it is a sign of something deeper that is wrong. Knowing that sort of information about such a person would make me guarded about children around someone even at 27 years old.
It seems not unlikely that he experienced some sort of abuse himself. The reports say that the police officer friend of the family is now incarcerated for child porn. Perhaps there is sub culture of that sort of thing in their circle.
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QuestLove
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You are correct that we should not necessarily label someone so young. But we should not sweep it under the rug either and say it is a mistake. Having at least four victims seems to indicate to me that he at least he had a problem at that time. And we do know that people who commit these sexual acts and become predators as adults don’t just start in adulthood. That’s why if they are caught, we should at least send them to therapy (although maybe the family did do that for Josh, we don’t know).
It seems odd that we don’t expect a 14 year old to know the consequences of his actions. This is such a weird case, because this 14 y old was put him in authority over his sisters by his parents, so he had some sense of right or wrong. I do not buy the whole “boys will be boys” excuse. We try to tell non-christian young men that they can exercise self control, why then do we excuse it for christian ones?
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Colorad007
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It is frankly absolutely none of our business.
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Darryl_Revok
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The thorough vetting of figures who influence policy is *always *our business as the public.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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Uh, that is a little ironic…
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