The Duggars Respond to Reports That Josh Duggar Was Accused of Child Molestation

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Havard said:
Forgiveness doesn’t mean you don’t pay your debts. I would forgive Josh Duggar if he had wronged me. But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t need medical treatment, or to face punishment.
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See my response to KendraZ. You don’t get to decide the burden of debt or the terms to fulfill that debt.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
KendraDZ1902;12991158:
Kendra, with all that you are going through there is no way this thread is healthy for you. Perhaps you should consider abandoning it. I say this not because I disagree with you, In fact I do not. I agree fully. But I am finding that in the past my feelings toward people can be affected by what they post. You don’t need this right now. It is a thread on an internet forum about reality TV. I find myself quite disturbed by this thread and this story. In light of the scandals of the Church and how we should be fully educated on how to handle abuse. And I am not really affected by it like you are. Perhaps, for your own health and peace, you should at least take a break from the thread for a while. If you disagree that is fine, but I worry about you and yes, you are still in my prayers often.
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Um, just for recording keeping, I didn’t write what I am being quoted on here.

Also, folks, these kinds of messages need to be sent by PM. It is against forum rules to talk about other users on the New Forums.
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Havard said:
Don’t confuse paying your debts with lack of mercy. If you break someone’s fence, they should forgive you, but you still mend it.
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How do you know what debts he has or hasn’t paid? I find the presumptuousness of this discussion simply amazing. The laws of the state of Arkansas, which determine how criminal acts should be “paid,” are inapplicable to the situation because of the statute of limitations. So his own state isn’t seeking his scalp, but you are (or are you?)? Perhaps that ought to tell you that you’re getting a little too close to “E” on the mercy-o-meter. I suspect that God is much more merciful than the state of Arkansas, anyway, so you don’t have anything to fret about.
 
Suudy said:
I see. He wasn’t punished enough. But you aren’t the one who decided his punishment. If the goal here is rehabilitiation, it appears it worked. So rather than accept that perhaps whatever punishment he did receive was suffient to affect a change in him (which it apparently has), you want to continue to punish him until he it meets your standards.
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He wasn’t punished. Was he on probation? Told that he couldn’t be around his victims? Or anything?
I want his punishment to fit the crime. Since they live in Arkansas, he should be punished to their standards.
 
Havard said:
  1. Make his victims whole. The sisters that he abused should have had independent counseling by someone that specializes in molestation abuse. He should pay for that, or at least co-pay along with his parents.
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How do you know if that happened or not? Considering that such records are confidential, we have no way of knowing if that occured or not. But given their statements about being at peace and moving on, it may have already occurred. Further, the terms restitution are not yours to set.
Havard said:
  1. Get a thorough psych eval to determine his risk of repeat offending. If there’s any risk, he needs to follow whatever guidelines are required. If that means separating himself from parts of society, it should be done.
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Considering there is zero evidence of any repeat offenses in the last 13 years, I think it is very likely that he is not a risk.
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
He wasn’t punished. Was he on probation? Told that he couldn’t be around his victims? Or anything?
I want his punishment to fit the crime. Since they live in Arkansas, he should be punished to their standards.
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What is the goal you are trying to achieve through this punishment? Rehabilitation and restitution? Or revenge?
 
Havard said:
The most important things he needs to do are:
  1. Make his victims whole. The sisters that he abused should have had independent counseling by someone that specializes in molestation abuse. He should pay for that, or at least co-pay along with his parents.
  2. Get a thorough psych eval to determine his risk of repeat offending. If there’s any risk, he needs to follow whatever guidelines are required. If that means separating himself from parts of society, it should be done.
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Works for me. Something should be done. Period.
 
I can’t help but wonder if Josh Duggar happened to be say a Muslim, or a Democrat and claimed to have repented and converted to the will of Allah would people be rushing out to defend him as some here are :blushing: Food for thought, and more than indicative of where sympathies lie.
 
Colorad007 said:
How do you know what debts he has or hasn’t paid? I find the presumptuousness of this discussion simply amazing. The laws of the state of Arkansas, which determine how criminal acts should be “paid,” are inapplicable to the situation because of the statute of limitations. So his own state isn’t seeking his scalp, but you are (or are you?)? Perhaps that ought to tell you that you’re getting a little too close to “E” on the mercy-o-meter. I suspect that God is much more merciful than the state of Arkansas, anyway, so you don’t have anything to fret about.
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I don’t see it as Havard or anyone else seeking a scalp.

This is the story of a 14 year old child who sexually fondled his sisters, who were younger than he was, and possibly even a 4 year old.

This behavior had to be precipitated by something.

Whatever it was needed to be addressed (and it does not seem to have been). He could have been a victim himself, he could have been mentally ill, he could have had tendencies towards pedophilia.

Something more than just , “Don’t do that anymore”
 
Cake_or_Death said:
I can’t help but wonder if Josh Duggar happened to be say a Muslim, or a Democrat and claimed to have repented and converted to the will of Allah would people be rushing out to defend him as some here are :blushing: Food for thought, and more than indicative of where sympathies lie.
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“He’s SUCH a good Christian boy! He didn’t know what he was doing.” :rotfl:
 
Sophie_Lawrence said:
Thank you for posting this. It puts things more clearly in perspective, I don’t really watch the show, or know how old the siblings are compared to each other.

I don’t understand, though, it was brought to the authorities (the police report speaks of investigators) but the investigation ended there? No CPS, no hearing or mandated therapy. Odd.
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My understanding of it is that the parents took Josh to a friend that was in law enforcement to have a “stern talking to”. (I think this was a year after they first learned of the initial incident) That LE didn’t make a police report, it was an unofficial conversation off the record. Soon after that, he got caught with child porn and went to prison. If he had any record of the meeting with the Duggars (I’m confused as to if he did or didn’t) it got dropped when he went to prison. THAT is why the SOL applies because it was another 3 1/2 years before this was brought to LE’s attention again when Harpo Studio’s received a tip right before the Duggars were to appear on Oprah. That is when LE contacted the Duggars and arranged the interviews with the parents and several of the children.

By the time that happened, it was too late to prosecute because the initial cop didn’t pursue it (probably because he was a family friend of the Duggars and was apparently crooked anyways).

So all in all, it sounds like these incidences happened several times over a few years. It was reported to the parents, parents thought they dealt with it, happened again, again, and so forth. This was not just one initial incident we’re talking about here. Josh got caught at some point and went on to do it again even after he was caught.

That’s what makes this so horrific. And the boy NEVER received real therapy like he really needed. I highly doubt he is “cured” And his oldest daughter is now at the age of his youngest victim. :mad:
 
This whole thing was settled long ago with everyone receiving the care, forgiveness and legal consequences due and needed. I have no doubt all this was dredged up precisely to damage the Duggar family’s credibility and to drag their name through the mud. There was no need to bring this to light when it had been properly dealt with when he was a child himself. It makes me sick the way the media gossips will revel in another’s downfall all the while ignoring their own grave sins. Makes me want to puke.

In modern America any sin in the past can be forgiven except molestation–and only within a religious context. We hear about secular people molesting children all the time, but it doesn’t get the huge publicity that religious people get. Why? Because the secular world holds to a double standard. They want to sin all they like, so they have to destroy the witness of those who believe that sin exists and has consequences. The world is “shocked, shocked!” when people of faith commit the same sins the world dismisses in its own. Please. :rolleyes:
 
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