The Duties of a Catholic Wife

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I don’t want to make any declarative judgments, but I certainly do get that misogynistic vibe from CAF. The “head of household” discussions, the discussions that treat feminism as if it was nothing more than a movement to promote birth control and abortion, etc.
I agree To me, it is even more sad and discouraging that some women take that view. In my opinion, its as if they want to be self sacrificing martyrs, feel its justified as Eve tempted Adam, was made after Adam from his rib or just feel its easier to just let someone else make decisions and take responsibility. We can quote parts of the Bible to support alternative positions on some issues.
Yes, blame feminism for all the sins of the world with a “see what happens when women want all these rights” attitude.

Ditto.
 
I am sorry but I disagree. I also do not understand how women were made equal by God, Christ treated women as equals, God gave women brains but suddenly on marriage a woman all that and has to obey her husband in all things except where she is allowed to disobey? If that is right, then what some Catholics say that women are under the authority of men, .would be true too.
This view is seen by outsiders as confirming the opinion held by some that the Church does not see women as equal to men.
Yeah, if you think that is equivalent to what I am saying then I really don’t think you understand my point. In my mind mutual submission and the head/heart relation are essentially the same, so if mutual submission allows women adn men to be equal then the head/heart relation as understood by me is also. I can understand why you are having difficulty understanding what I mean as I know I have not yet figured this out well enough to be able to explain it clearly, but suffice it to say that I see Casti Conubii as actually defending the idea of mutual submission, just through the aspect of head and heart. And that doesn’t mean that women are somehow incapable of making decisions, or that their right or ability to make decisions is somehow taken away from them, not at all, it is rather a filter for each individual to personally take on in their submission to their spouse so that their married relationship can more fully mirror that of Christ and His Church. So, for example, when Mary and John are trying to decide where to eat out for their anniversary, Mary wants Italian and John wants Chinese. They end up deciding to get Italian. In this scenario John has submitted himself to his wife, and in doing so he can just do it out of love for his wife, or on top of doing it out of love for his wife, he can also do it for the sake of living out the role of Christ and His Church in their marriage. I don’t know if this will help you see what I am trying to express any better, but please realize that if you ever come to think that my understanding of the head/heart relationship is contrary to mutual submission then you have gravely misunderstood what I am trying to explain.
 
Thank you for that response. I guess for me, I do see mutual submission as very important. If every day you wake up and think, “How can I bless my spouse today?” That’s a good thing. Mutual service and putting one’s spouse ahead of oneself is SO important. If both work to make the other happy, what can come between them? It’s the head/heart thing that icks me out. The head implies the thinker, the decision maker, the reasonable one, the one in control. The heart represents, to me at least, being emotional, sensitive and nurturing. My husband and I are both “head” personalities. I’d never be accused of being the heart of anything!

I guess I’m still confused. Are we talking about mutual, loving service to one another, or are we talking about the husband somehow having more clout as the thinker of the family and the woman deferring to him at times of disagreement?
well… its late and I just typed up a post and lost it all, so I will ttry to summarize.

First I entirely agree with you that the idea of mutual submission is extremely important. If anyone focuses solely on the head/heart distinction then they will have a lopsided view of the marital relationship as Paul (and Casti Conubii and TOP etc) describe it. We need to find a way to reconcile both.

Second, if thats what I thought the head/heart relationship meant I would respond in the exact same way that you would, it would be terrible if somehow I was being told that I was not as intelligent or as capable of thinking/making decisions as my husband (to be) just because I am a woman (especially as I might just have a higher GPA ;):whistle:😃 ). That just doesn’t fit the reality we see and experience around us on a daily basis, and if there is one thing the Church does, it conforms its teachings to the reality we experience around us. I think that kind of idea of a head/heart relationship is not at all what the Church wants us to think of and is a terrible distortion of the real meaning behind this teaching. I am convinced that this wording is mostly for the sake of getting us to recognize a different aspect of the mutual submission involved in marriage.

I wish I had a better way of explaining my thoughts on this, but I am still working on trying to understand it better myself and get it straight in my own head. If I can think of a better way to explain it I will deinitely bring it up. 🙂

Also, maybe it would help us better understand what we each mean (and do not mean) if we brought up particular examples of situations and how they could/would/should play out?
 
Yeah, if you think that is equivalent to what I am saying then I really don’t think you understand my point. In my mind mutual submission and the head/heart relation are essentially the same, so if mutual submission allows women adn men to be equal then the head/heart relation as understood by me is also. I can understand why you are having difficulty understanding what I mean as I know I have not yet figured this out well enough to be able to explain it clearly, but suffice it to say that I see Casti Conubii as actually defending the idea of mutual submission, just through the aspect of head and heart. And that doesn’t mean that women are somehow incapable of making decisions, or that their right or ability to make decisions is somehow taken away from them, not at all, it is rather a filter for each individual to personally take on in their submission to their spouse so that their married relationship can more fully mirror that of Christ and His Church. So, for example, when Mary and John are trying to decide where to eat out for their anniversary, Mary wants Italian and John wants Chinese. They end up deciding to get Italian. In this scenario John has submitted himself to his wife, and in doing so he can just do it out of love for his wife, or on top of doing it out of love for his wife, he can also do it for the sake of living out the role of Christ and His Church in their marriage. I don’t know if this will help you see what I am trying to express any better, but please realize that if you ever come to think that my understanding of the head/heart relationship is contrary to mutual submission then you have gravely misunderstood what I am trying to explain.
I am trying to understand you and I do not want to just disagree full stop. I am not sure if you are saying that marriage is about living out a relationship as the Church has to Christ which was set out so well by Blessed JPII. If you are, then I agree. If you are saying the husband is in the role of Christ to the Church, then I disagree. We should all be Christ like following His teachings. We can only try and fail often as we are human.

I do not want to ramble all but it would be good if you would clarify what you mean. Thank you.
 
well… its late and I just typed up a post and lost it all, so I will ttry to summarize.

First I entirely agree with you that the idea of mutual submission is extremely important. If anyone focuses solely on the head/heart distinction then they will have a lopsided view of the marital relationship as Paul (and Casti Conubii and TOP etc) describe it. We need to find a way to reconcile both.

Second, if thats what I thought the head/heart relationship meant I would respond in the exact same way that you would, it would be terrible if somehow I was being told that I was not as intelligent or as capable of thinking/making decisions as my husband (to be) just because I am a woman (especially as I might just have a higher GPA ;):whistle:😃 ). That just doesn’t fit the reality we see and experience around us on a daily basis, and if there is one thing the Church does, it conforms its teachings to the reality we experience around us. I think that kind of idea of a head/heart relationship is not at all what the Church wants us to think of and is a terrible distortion of the real meaning behind this teaching. I am convinced that this wording is mostly for the sake of getting us to recognize a different aspect of the mutual submission involved in marriage.

I wish I had a better way of explaining my thoughts on this, but I am still working on trying to understand it better myself and get it straight in my own head. If I can think of a better way to explain it I will deinitely bring it up. 🙂

Also, maybe it would help us better understand what we each mean (and do not mean) if we brought up particular examples of situations and how they could/would/should play out?
If we’re just talking about the normal, healthy give and take of a marriage, then I think that is how most happily married couples live. Overlooking small irritations, compromising on decisions, not being a control freak, giving in sometimes - I mean, duh. That’s how it has to be to work.

My husband and I rarely argue. In the restaurant decision you gave, if my husband wanted Chinese and I wanted Italian - the one who cared less would give in. If my husband already had Italian for lunch, we’d go with Chinese or pick a third option. If I’m pregnant and totally craving spaghetti, he’d give in. No big.

We have a deal. If we can’t come to a conclusion about a decision, we simply default toward inaction. Neither of us would ever make the oter do something they did not want to do. For example…

-I want a new garage door. Husband does not. We can’t agree. No new garage door is purchased. Eventually current one breaks and we replace it.

-Daughter wants to sleep over at a friend’s house. I say “sure.” Husband says “no.” Daughter stays home.

-Husband wants to visit his parents for the holidays. I really want to stay home. We atay home. I offer to have them over for New Years.

-I want to homeschool the kids. Husband says he does not think it’s a good idea. Kids stay in school. We continue to discuss the issue.

-Nine year old wants her ears pierced. I say no, husband says okay. Daughter does not get ears pierced. We decide that she can pierce her ears at 12.

I’m still curious as to how a “head/heart” relationship differs from an egalitarian one. Let me tell you, any marriage, even a secular one, that works is based on both partners being very flexible and always looking out for the interests of the other.
 
If we’re just talking about the normal, healthy give and take of a marriage, then I think that is how most happily married couples live. Overlooking small irritations, compromising on decisions, not being a control freak, giving in sometimes - I mean, duh. That’s how it has to be to work.

My husband and I rarely argue. In the restaurant decision you gave, if my husband wanted Chinese and I wanted Italian - the one who cared less would give in. If my husband already had Italian for lunch, we’d go with Chinese or pick a third option. If I’m pregnant and totally craving spaghetti, he’d give in. No big.

We have a deal. If we can’t come to a conclusion about a decision, we simply default toward inaction. Neither of us would ever make the oter do something they did not want to do. For example…

-I want a new garage door. Husband does not. We can’t agree. No new garage door is purchased. Eventually current one breaks and we replace it.

-Daughter wants to sleep over at a friend’s house. I say “sure.” Husband says “no.” Daughter stays home.

-Husband wants to visit his parents for the holidays. I really want to stay home. We atay home. I offer to have them over for New Years.

-I want to homeschool the kids. Husband says he does not think it’s a good idea. Kids stay in school. We continue to discuss the issue.

-Nine year old wants her ears pierced. I say no, husband says okay. Daughter does not get ears pierced. We decide that she can pierce her ears at 12.

I’m still curious as to how a “head/heart” relationship differs from an egalitarian one. Let me tell you, any marriage, even a secular one, that works is based on both partners being very flexible and always looking out for the interests of the other.
Like I said, I don’t really think it would differ in the actions that happen, but I think that looking at it as a head/heart relationship might help change the perspective of those involved as they live out their marriage. So the above reaction is perfectly compatible with the head/heart relationship. The man only has authority to lead as Christ leads the Church, whenever he actually is leading this way, why wouldn’t the wife want to follow what he has suggesd? When he isn’t leading that way, of course she can because he has no authority to lead according to his own selfish human inclinations. So the fact that you agree to wait/avoid doing something if you are not both comfortable with it is totally compatible with that. Christ would not want to make his spouse, the Church, unnecessarily uncomfortable, and especially since we all are human having a safety check in to err on the side of caution in favor of ones spouse also sounds like a very Christ-like way of handling it.

Maybe that is a bettter way to explain it, the additional perspective of the head/heart relationship comes from saying that, yes, the man does have authority, however, he only has authourity in so far as he is Christlike. In other words, when he suggests that you take a certtain course of action, if that is the coursse of action that Christ would suggest in that situation, then they should follow that course of action. Here’s the interesting thing though, whether or not you think of the man having a special authority in such a postition the woman still has an obligation in such a scenario to give in to her husband and follow the course of action he suggested, because it is the one that is best for their family. This of course is in addition to both striving to learn to submit to each other, both out of love, though from different vantage points. ok, lol, maybe this won’t help explain what I am thinking any better because I still come back to this point where I can’t find a good way to explain it. Also, since this is sometthing I’m still working on understanding myself I don’t know if what I have explained above is really a good/sufficient explanation. Basically, I see the idea of mutual submission and having a head/heart relationship as being perfectly compatible, I think that pretty much any happily married couple is doing the right thing about all this but might be missing a particular perspective if they are not thinking about the give and take in their marriage as a head/heart relationship. I get frustrated whenever I see people completely rejecting the notion of a head/heart relationship because they assume it means something which the Church is clearly not teaching, because I think the better course of action is, since this other understanding is not what the Church is teaching, to find out what value this language has when being used to describe relationships as the Church does use it. Its something the Church has taught, so instead of just rejecting it because you don’t yet see how it fits in, I think people should make a better effort to see how to understand it so that it is compatible with everything else taught about relationships how about being open to the possibility that it has a different understanding and meaning which can enrich a relationship? Casti Conubii was very insistant on using this language for a reason, so why don’t we all try to figure out what that reason was instead of just rejecting it because we haven’t found the correct understanding of it?

ETA] That last part isn’t aimed at you, Jackiemom, I think I was just trying to explain why I came into this dicscussion anyway, to try and help people realize that they don’t have to reject the language of head/heart just because there are people who have mistaken undersstandings of what that means.
 
Like I said, I don’t really think it would differ in the actions that happen, but I think that looking at it as a head/heart relationship might help change the perspective of those involved as they live out their marriage. So the above reaction is perfectly compatible with the head/heart relationship. The man only has authority to lead as Christ leads the Church, whenever he actually is leading this way, why wouldn’t the wife want to follow what he has suggesd? When he isn’t leading that way, of course she can because he has no authority to lead according to his own selfish human inclinations. So the fact that you agree to wait/avoid doing something if you are not both comfortable with it is totally compatible with that. Christ would not want to make his spouse, the Church, unnecessarily uncomfortable, and especially since we all are human having a safety check in to err on the side of caution in favor of ones spouse also sounds like a very Christ-like way of handling it.

Maybe that is a bettter way to explain it, the additional perspective of the head/heart relationship comes from saying that, yes, the man does have authority, however, he only has authourity in so far as he is Christlike. In other words, when he suggests that you take a certtain course of action, if that is the coursse of action that Christ would suggest in that situation, then they should follow that course of action. Here’s the interesting thing though, whether or not you think of the man having a special authority in such a postition the woman still has an obligation in such a scenario to give in to her husband and follow the course of action he suggested, because it is the one that is best for their family. This of course is in addition to both striving to learn to submit to each other, both out of love, though from different vantage points. ok, lol, maybe this won’t help explain what I am thinking any better because I still come back to this point where I can’t find a good way to explain it. Also, since this is sometthing I’m still working on understanding myself I don’t know if what I have explained above is really a good/sufficient explanation. Basically, I see the idea of mutual submission and having a head/heart relationship as being perfectly compatible, I think that pretty much any happily married couple is doing the right thing about all this but might be missing a particular perspective if they are not thinking about the give and take in their marriage as a head/heart relationship. I get frustrated whenever I see people completely rejecting the notion of a head/heart relationship because they assume it means something which the Church is clearly not teaching, because I think the better course of action is, since this other understanding is not what the Church is teaching, to find out what value this language has when being used to describe relationships as the Church does use it. Its something the Church has taught, so instead of just rejecting it because you don’t yet see how it fits in, I think people should make a better effort to see how to understand it so that it is compatible with everything else taught about relationships how about being open to the possibility that it has a different understanding and meaning which can enrich a relationship? Casti Conubii was very insistant on using this language for a reason, so why don’t we all try to figure out what that reason was instead of just rejecting it because we haven’t found the correct understanding of it?

ETA] That last part isn’t aimed at you, Jackiemom, I think I was just trying to explain why I came into this dicscussion anyway, to try and help people realize that they don’t have to reject the language of head/heart just because there are people who have mistaken undersstandings of what that means.
So if a wife is being Christlike in making a decision, shouldn’t the husband follow, in fact he should follow, yes? You would disagree because you state that the husband has authority to lead. Why does he have this authority? Because of his gender? Then it follows that all men have authority over women. Where then is the equality under Christ?
 
Dear catholicanne,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Jolly well said, if only more Catholic women shared your sound views, but I feel that many have enthusiastically embraced the equality ideology of godless secular feminism.

The Church, dear sister, has always and consistently taught that the wife was subject to the** authority of her husband and must obey him** even as the Church obeys Christ, assuming, of course, that the husbands demands are just and moral. Moreover, it is important to note that this teaching has never been officially abrogated or declared invalid on account of its age and is therefore binding upon the Catholic faithful today.

In his encyclical Arcanum, on Christian marriage, Leo XIII forcefully and clearly restated the traditional (and biblical) teaching:

"The husband is the chief of the family and the head of the wife. The woman, because she is flesh of his flesh, and bone of his bone, must be subject to her husband and obey him; not, indeed, as a servant, but as a companion, so that her obedience shall be wanting in neither honour or dignity. Since the husband represents Christ, and since the wife represents the Church, let there always be, both in him who commands and her who obeys, a heaven born love guiding both in their respective duties. For, “the husband is head of the wife; as Christ is head of the Church…Therefore, as the Church is subject to Christ, so also let wives be to their own husbands in all things”.

It is usual in equality debates, dear sister, for some contemporary Catholics to make an appeal to H.H.JPII’s Mulieris Dignitatem by way of reply. First, however, it should be observed that H.H.JPII presents his teaching as a “personal meditation” (And it seems that the best thing is to give this the style and character of a meditation, his own emphasis). Now the level and binding nature of this “meditation” is far from apparent and can hardly be said to portray definitive teaching which no man is at liberty to question. Second, Pope Leo emphasized precisely the point that Ephesians 5: 22-23 - which is to say the very word of God itself - teaches, namely that subjection is required not “only on the part of the Church” to Christ, as H.H.JPII asserts, but also on the part of the wife to her husband, because in the order of familial authority the husband represents Christ and the wife represents the Church, as Pope Leo taught in the above cited encyclical. Third, H.H.JPII quotes only from the beginning of the key sentence from Ephesians - "For the husband is the head of the wife, omitting the conclusion, “as Christ is head of the Church”.

Quite frankly, dear sister, I fail to see how any authority could exist any more in the family than in Holy Mother Church if there were “mutual subjection” and no ruler-subject relationship between the spouses. This whole “mutual subjection” notion, pushed by so many modern Catholics (including even some conservatives), is surely a conundrum, since you cannot have a subject without a ruler, nor a ruler without a subject, and neither the Church nor the family can have two heads.

When St. Paul spoke of a woman being in subjection to her husband, he meant by that in everything pertaining to the husbands legitimate authority and, of course, everything not contrary to the true Catholic Faith. The occasion could arise, hopefully seldom, if ever, within a pious family, when it will clearly be a woman’s duty to obey God rather than her own husband. In that instance the woman can and must disobey her husband.

Contrary to feminist propaganda, dear sister, a woman can have her own thoughts and opinions and there is nothing untoward with the give and take within marriage. However, the consistent teaching of Holy Mother Church has been that the husband is head of the wife. Thus, in the event of a major disagreement the husband must have the final say, otherwise we are in the situation where there are two heads and the ruler-subject relationship (taught in Ephesians 5: 22-23) would be vitiated. This sort of thing would be utterly at variance with both biblical and Church teaching and would therefore be wrong. Even today when the Western world has been subjected to a barrage of godless feminist ideology, most devout Catholic women would meekly accept the rightful submission to their husband without demur, provided that his manner was not imperious or downright unreasonable.

Woman, dear sister, who stubbornly refuse to accept their husbands authority are inviting anarchy into their homes, as well as setting a very bad and rebellious example to their children. Minor issues can usually be resolved by talking matters through calmly and by the husband always striving to show love, gentleness, reasonableness, patience and fairness to his beloved wife. However, it is a modern error, inspired by a spurious egalitarianism, that insists that families are little democracies. That is just arrant un-Christian nonsense and those who profess the holy religion of Christ should give it no credence whatsoever.

God bless and thankyou for (name removed by moderator)ut expressing the authentic Catholic position relating to the position of women within marriage.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
Hmmmm…strange, I don’t recall the word “obey” in my marriage vows in 1981, I don’t recall that word when my brother and sis in law were married, 10 yrs later. We were married in the Catholic Church too. I guess the reason is, “BECAUSE IT IS NOT USED ANYMORE”. interesting…
 
Obviously St.Paul is addressing a problem that arose in the Church. His words are in relation for the church to be an example to the heathens. Christian unity and harmony in the home and church. Arguing over this is the opposite of the point being made.
Pauls words echo Jesus’s words on the sermon on the mount.
So why not submit to everyone, when someone fingers and swears at you for cutting them off on the road…mouth the words “I am sorry” with a smile, even if it was not your fault, and don’t finger them and swear back at them.
Live your faith, in your home and outside of it 🙂
 
Like I said, I don’t really think it would differ in the actions that happen, but I think that looking at it as a head/heart relationship might help change the perspective of those involved as they live out their marriage. So the above reaction is perfectly compatible with the head/heart relationship. The man only has authority to lead as Christ leads the Church, whenever he actually is leading this way, why wouldn’t the wife want to follow what he has suggesd? When he isn’t leading that way, of course she can because he has no authority to lead according to his own selfish human inclinations. So the fact that you agree to wait/avoid doing something if you are not both comfortable with it is totally compatible with that. Christ would not want to make his spouse, the Church, unnecessarily uncomfortable, and especially since we all are human having a safety check in to err on the side of caution in favor of ones spouse also sounds like a very Christ-like way of handling it.

Maybe that is a bettter way to explain it, the additional perspective of the head/heart relationship comes from saying that, yes, the man does have authority, however, he only has authourity in so far as he is Christlike. In other words, when he suggests that you take a certtain course of action, if that is the coursse of action that Christ would suggest in that situation, then they should follow that course of action. Here’s the interesting thing though, whether or not you think of the man having a special authority in such a postition the woman still has an obligation in such a scenario to give in to her husband and follow the course of action he suggested, because it is the one that is best for their family. This of course is in addition to both striving to learn to submit to each other, both out of love, though from different vantage points. ok, lol, maybe this won’t help explain what I am thinking any better because I still come back to this point where I can’t find a good way to explain it. Also, since this is sometthing I’m still working on understanding myself I don’t know if what I have explained above is really a good/sufficient explanation. Basically, I see the idea of mutual submission and having a head/heart relationship as being perfectly compatible, I think that pretty much any happily married couple is doing the right thing about all this but might be missing a particular perspective if they are not thinking about the give and take in their marriage as a head/heart relationship. I get frustrated whenever I see people completely rejecting the notion of a head/heart relationship because they assume it means something which the Church is clearly not teaching, because I think the better course of action is, since this other understanding is not what the Church is teaching, to find out what value this language has when being used to describe relationships as the Church does use it. Its something the Church has taught, so instead of just rejecting it because you don’t yet see how it fits in, I think people should make a better effort to see how to understand it so that it is compatible with everything else taught about relationships how about being open to the possibility that it has a different understanding and meaning which can enrich a relationship? Casti Conubii was very insistant on using this language for a reason, so why don’t we all try to figure out what that reason was instead of just rejecting it because we haven’t found the correct understanding of it?

ETA] That last part isn’t aimed at you, Jackiemom, I think I was just trying to explain why I came into this dicscussion anyway, to try and help people realize that they don’t have to reject the language of head/heart just because there are people who have mistaken undersstandings of what that means.
Maybe a concrete example of how this works could help. Because right now what it seems like you’re saying is, “A woman should comply with her husband, but only if he’s right.” Well, duh. Either spouse should comply with the one who is right!
 
So if a wife is being Christlike in making a decision, shouldn’t the husband follow, in fact he should follow, yes? You would disagree because you state that the husband has authority to lead. Why does he have this authority? Because of his gender? Then it follows that all men have authority over women. Where then is the equality under Christ?
lol, no I wouldn’t disagree, thats why I’m saying you clearly don’t understand what I am saying. Whether or not you look at it from a head/heart relation or not both spouses always have a duty to do that which is best for their family. 🤷
 
Maybe a concrete example of how this works could help. Because right now what it seems like you’re saying is, “A woman should comply with her husband, but only if he’s right.” Well, duh. Either spouse should comply with the one who is right!
Well, thats kind of my point, this head/heart thing isn’t nearly as controversial as people like to make it out to be. 🤷
 
Obviously St.Paul is addressing a problem that arose in the Church. His words are in relation for the church to be an example to the heathens. Christian unity and harmony in the home and church. Arguing over this is the opposite of the point being made.
Pauls words echo Jesus’s words on the sermon on the mount.
So why not submit to everyone, when someone fingers and swears at you for cutting them off on the road…mouth the words “I am sorry” with a smile, even if it was not your fault, and don’t finger them and swear back at them.
Live your faith, in your home and outside of it 🙂
Wise words for us all to live by. 👍
 
lol, no I wouldn’t disagree, thats why I’m saying you clearly don’t understand what I am saying. Whether or not you look at it from a head/heart relation or not both spouses always have a duty to do that which is best for their family. 🤷
Thats why I suggested that people read Casti Conubii again carefully, because that is actually what Casti Conubii ittself says, only most people don’t realize it because they get too caught up on the authority terminology used in it.
 
That does not follow. Husbands have authority, not as men.
Why do husbands have authority? I would like to hear about what Christ had to say on this, about his actions. We do not have to take everything in the Bible and literally.
 
Why do husbands have authority? I would like to hear about what Christ had to say on this, about his actions. We do not have to take everything in the Bible and literally.
Read any of the variety of Papal encyclicals on this topic. Many of them have been linked to and quoted in this thread.
 
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Also this. 🙂
So if you say that you agree that husbands have authority over their wives, that’it. Why say anythinng else. I do not agree. I believe marriage is about love and with love, there is sacrifice , give and take. No one has responded to the fact that if the authority of the husband is doctrine, why is it not stated in the CCC or explained in the Compendium and why is it in the marriage vows?
 
Read any of the variety of Papal encyclicals on this topic. Many of them have been linked to and quoted in this thread.
There have been one or two quoted here but that is not what I asked pleases. Its okay, thanks
 
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