The E.U. Is Coming for Catholics

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“Poland and Hungary are in trouble with the European Union again…(they) must accept whatever quota of Third World migrants (mostly Muslims) the E.U. has set…Further, they must agree to all rules and regulations favoring LGBT causes, abortion, and so on…There will be no room for diversity.”

True?
 
I thought it was an unwritten law somewhere — when in Rome you do as the Roman’s do!!! You don’t go to another country to change their laws!!! Or is this a new order of things?
 
This is what happens when you create a strong unelected group with all authority and no responseability for their action

Remember the CCC’s only limits on government is that it can not be draconian.
 
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They have to accept it BUT they don’t do everything Bruxelles asks. They were punished many times because of it. Those are only countries which are not blinded by agenda. EU can and usually denies money when countries don’t do what they ask (hundreds of milions of euros), also politicians from “disobedient” countries are usually punished with ban of participation in EU parliament discussions for certain period of time or have to pay some amount because they didn’t accept some things in their countries.

Couple months ago one of the leaders said same thing as V. Orban years ago when he didn’t want open borders. Terrorism became big problem, as well as LGBT agenda. I am not sure that EU is gonna survive if it will go deeper and deeper like this in future. Revolution eats her children.

Personally, title of article is somehow too dramatic because it doesn’t happen from this morning, Catholic Church and other big religions are persecuted for years in modern Europe but not with guns, they are persecuted with secularism.

P.s. I live in EU country.
 
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I wasn’t aware “Catholic” meant “right-wing racist”, but you do you :man_shrugging:t2:.

The EU isn’t “coming” for anyone. As anyone who reads an un-ridiculously biased news site can tell you, the current situation is that Hungary and Poland are holding up the passing/agreement (not sure which, I only got the gist of the story and didn’t pay much attention to the details) of a trillion euro Covid-19 relief package over minimal rule-of-law provisions, because the ruling parties in those states want to continue eroding democracy and democratic ideals. This is hardly a Catholic issue at all. It’s a democracy issue.

God bless the European Union and the noble ideals that it stands for; it has its faults but believe me it’s far better than a right-wing dictatorial theocracy 😉.

No one is coming for anyone. Stop fear-mongering.

 
Your post, and the article you quote, are entirely vague. There are charges of threats to democracy and the rule of law - but absolutely no specifics. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Well I wasn’t writing a thesis now, was I? If you’d like to study the issue in further detail, there’s a wealth of detail available online. As much detail as you want.
 
Right wing fascist? What does that even mean? Could you give an example? In the U.S. it usually means securing your country’s borders from illegal immigration and being pro anti abortion legislation. 😂
 
As far as I understand it, Hungary’s populist, nativist far-right government is not really aligned with Catholicism anyway, and Catholicism does not seem to be a very important factor in Hungarian politics. For example, Hungary recently changed its laws concerning shopping on Sunday so that large shops have to close. However, this has more to do with Hungarian nationalism than it has to do with Christianity: the large shops are mostly owned by foreign companies, whereas the small shops are mostly owned by Hungarians. One must also remember that ever since the Reformation, both Catholicism and Protestantism have been important parts of Hungarian culture.

The situation in Poland is of course different, as it is the most Catholic country in Europe (with the possible exception of some very small countries that may be slightly more Catholic). Although there was considerable religious diversity in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Catholicism has been by far the dominant religion in modern Poland. Therefore, it is not really a case of one party being aligned with Catholicism and another party being against Catholicism. That would be like saying that the US Republican Party is aligned with Christianity and the Democratic Party is anti-Christian. It is a matter of degree and emphasis. Indeed, while Lech Wałęsa was obviously always a very strong Catholic, it is believed that Wojciech Jaruzelski was also in fact a Catholic, although perhaps not openly so.

Anyway, at the end of the day, the policies with which the EU takes issue do not really have anything to do with religion. If Poland and Hungary uphold democracy and the rule of law, the EU will be happy. The UK was an EU member state until the beginning of this year, and the EU never concerned itself with our genuinely rather odd religious settlement: an established church in England, a formerly established church in Wales which retains some vestiges of establishment, a merely national church in Scotland, and formal precedence accorded to Anglian and Catholic prelates (and the Moderator of the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland) in Northern Ireland; Church of England prelates serving in both the upper house of legislature and the Privy Council of the whole of the UK, etc. Indeed, when Ireland joined the EEC in 1973, it was still a strongly Catholic country. Contraception was illegal in Ireland until 1980, same-sex partnerships were not recognised until 2011, abortion was illegal until 2018, and blasphemy was also illegal until 2018. The EU was evidently pretty slow in “coming for” the British and the Irish!
 
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“The E.U. is livid that the constitutions of Poland and Hungary both define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. The commissars of the European commission hate the fact that the Hungarian Parliament defunded “critical theories,” “gender studies,” and other such programs in the nation’s universities. Lastly, the lords of the European superstate fume at Poland’s legal protection of life, in particular the outlawing of abortion on demand.”
 
The EU was evidently pretty slow in “coming for” the British and the Irish!
Once upon a time, religion played a part in the UK and Ireland. Since the 1970s the decline of religion has been dramatic. Today only 1% of people aged 18-24 identify as Church of England, and half of the British say they have no religion at all.
 
In the 1970s, the UK was still a bastion of free speech. Today, ‘abusive or offensive’ messages on social media can subjected to harsh sentencing. UK police are arresting around nine people per day for posting ‘offensive’ messages on social media.
 
How about being an anti-Semite who regularly lambasts George Soros whom he accuses of being part of a global conspiracy against him (a common anti-Semitic trope) like a certain racist Hungarian wannabe dictator? 😉

Exists on the other side of the ocean too.
 
I wasn’t aware “Catholic” meant “right-wing racist”, but you do you
But why is belief in traditional relationships and non-acceptance of refugee quotas mean label of “right-wing racist”?

Countries should welcome the refugees, as per Jesus teaching. But countries must also maintain their national identities, and ensure safety for their citizens.
I don’t believe that any EU country should be obligated to accept certain refugees that they are believe hold certain bad ideologies, or who show attitudes of hating the values of the new country.
Compassion mush be balanced with scrutiny of refugee mind-sets.

(I am also from migrant family).
 
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But why is belief in traditional relationships and non-acceptance of refugee quotas mean label of “right-wing racist”?
Yes, the article mentioned an increasing stance against diversity of opinion, especially for those with religious beliefs.
 
George Soros is atheist isn’t he? I mean he’s an ethnic Jew but that’s the extent of it. He believes in the same atheist BS as most of the Left. Just because someone dislikes another person and what they stand for and that person has a Jewish blood line, does not mean the dislike is related to antisemetism. In fact, in the U.S., a huge majority of evangelicals who vote Republican, who are for secured borders, anti-abortion legislation(things considered “right wing fascist” I guess), are Zionists. They love ethnic and religious Jews! And Open Societies Foundation is globalist. They put their funding into Leftist organizations in many countries.
 
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Today, ‘abusive or offensive’ messages on social media can subjected to harsh sentencing. UK police are arresting around nine people per day for posting ‘offensive’ messages on social media.
The police are occasionally over-zealous in investigating things that turn out to be entirely legal. However, the vast majority of the messages to which you refer will be cases of blatant criminality, e.g. harassment, threats to kill or rape, incitement to hatred or violence, outright racist hate speech, etc.
Once upon a time, religion played a part in the UK and Ireland. Since the 1970s the decline of religion has been dramatic.
But that has nothing to do with the EU. The point is that the EU is not interested in the religious affairs of its member states. Issues such as contraception, abortion, and same-sex partnerships are matters for the individual states, not the EU. At no point in the course of Britain’s membership of the EU and its predecessor organisations were we told that we had to disestablish the Church of England, remove bishops from the House of Lords, or repeal the law that requires a daily act of collective worship of a broadly Christian character in schools.
 
Surrender any portion of your national soveriegnty to a supranational organization, live with the chains that you assumed.
 
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