Who was the book of Romans written to? The Church of Rome. Is that Church still here? Yep. Is it still the chair of Peter? Yep. Is it worldwide professing the same faith for 2000 years? Yep
Using that logic then Peter cannot be the first Pope, which of course he isn’t since it is an invention of man, since Paul said he would not build on another’s foundation and that is exactly what his intent was concerning Rome; don’t you read the Scriptures?
***I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that often I have planned to come to you (and have been prevented so far) so that I may obtain some fruit among you *also, even as among the rest of the Gentiles. 14 I am under obligation both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to the wise and to the foolish. 15 So, for my part, I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome. **{Romans 1} It would not concern Paul had Peter been there and if Peter were to go there and stay; he would be in direct violation and rebellion against the command given to him by God to the Jews - don’t you read the Scriptures?
Then Paul tells us in chapter 15:
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20 And thus I aspired to preach the gospel, not where Christ was {already} named, so that I would not build on another man’s foundation; **
Again; don’t you read the Scriptures?
Now go and read the ECF’s starting with the 1st century.
- What Church held the presidency? Rome.
- Who did Greeks call to settle sedition of their bishops DURING apostolic times? Rome
- What was the Church everywhere called? the Catholic Church.
- Who was everyone everywhere to agree with? the Church of Rome.
Would you like the citations?
The Presidency? That is new
Who did the apostles call on, Jerusalem and who knew the truth? The apostles.
The Greeks called on Rome? They called on the person who was at the church in Rome whom they had faith in concerning the knowledge of the Scripture. If that person had been somewhere else, then they would have still called on that person, not because of location, but because of knowledge although they may have agreed to meet in Rome as it being a good location. See the difference?
The catholic church; not the Roman Catholic Church - see the difference?
Who is everyone and everywhere? Other church overseers had good reputations and were conferred with as well, but Rome being a central LOCATION was more of a convenience if a meeting in person was necessitated. Don’t you see the difference?
You’re guessing. You’re hoping that what you see really didn’t happen the way it did. You’re hoping something else happened. You don’t know you’re right, you hope you’re right.
Is that supposed to be your justification for not reading scripture or the ECF’s? Because you think everything is corrupted and twisted?
We already know that the ignorant and unstable twist and distort scripture.
As I indicated I cannot be dogmatic and nor can you because we cannot ask them what exactly they meant by what they had said; just as men from all generations have distorted the Scripture the same has been done with the words of the efc’s. However; we do know that when one’s sources comes strictly from within one’s circle of bias, then we can be sure that distortions will lean to that bias.
You seem to be ill equiped to deal with evidence and proof that’s readily accessable to the entire planet, vs the nonsense you’d rather swallow.
Who started the Mormons and JW’s and when were they started? That’s easy to find. It’s also easy to find that both deny the divinity of Jesus.
A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day, so the “Catholic Church” could be 2 days old in God’s sight as far as time goes since God is outside of time, but as men inside of time 2000 years or 200 years or 20 years seems like a long time; so that is irrelevant argument.
In your ignorance; neither Mormons nor JW’s deny the deity of Jesus, the Mormons see 3 gods and the JW’s see Jesus as the lessor deity to the Father. Just so you know and don’t make more incorrect assertions.
Now what statement in scripture kills any notion of the Catholic Church?
explain what you mean
Tell me how you define the true church of Jesus Christ and then I will answer your question. The true church is doing very well and is united in almost every way; so what is the true church as you are taught?
That is an opinion and erroneous at that for it is the Author of Scripture which brings us Scripture and He chose to use men to bring it together, which man calls the canon of Scripture and is now published in books. As to it being the Catholic church some would agree and some would disagree based on the meaning of “catholic” or “Catholic”. Your bias is on Roman Catholic because you are Catholic and for no other reason. What does this prove? Nothing.
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