The elusive "I"?

[tonyrey]

No one has stated or implied that the soul “does all the job”.

The brain is a physical organ which responds to a person’s thoughts, emotions and decisions.

Then why doesn’t a machine have insight, autonomy and responsibility like a person for what it does??

They just do their tasks.

Precisely! The body is a biological machine with a scientifically inexplicable urge to survive and reproduce.

 

[GEddie]

The body is a biological machine with a scientifically inexplicable urge to survive and reproduce.

Hardly inexplicable!

Holding life and propagating genes are **what bodies do. ** Both processes are wildly intricate, because our bodies are “fearfully and wonderfully made.” But they have their origins in biological directives far, far older than the design of our dear old human bodies.

ICXC NIKA

 

[tonyrey]

Hardly inexplicable!

Holding life and propagating genes are **what bodies do. ** Both processes are wildly intricate, because our bodies are “fearfully and wonderfully made.” But they have their origins in biological directives far, far older than the design of our dear old human bodies.

ICXC NIKA

What is the scientific explanation of the biological directives?

 

[Aloysium]

What is the scientific explanation of the biological directives?

It wouldn’t be one appearing in any textbook, but an explanation would involve that creation of a new type of being, brought into existence as previously were created atom-molecules from the initial plasma that had been the universe. The animal soul would organize the substrate of organic molecules into a living, moving, reproducing creature which could feel and react instinctively as it interacted within its environment, transforming it into into itself and its progeny. That’s still quite superficial although more elaborate than the modern scientific version of how our “fearfully and wonderfully” bodies were built. You can’t leave God out of the picture and be left with anything that makes any sense.

 

[STT]

The brain is a physical organ which responds to a person’s thoughts, emotions and decisions.

Brain causes the responses. What is the purpose of all neurobilogical processes then?

Precisely! The body is a biological machine with a scientifically inexplicable urge to survive and reproduce.

The body is a machine if you believe that there is no free will.

 

[tonyrey]

The brain is a physical organ which responds to a person

What causes the brain to cause the responses?

What is the purpose of all neurobilogical processes then?

To enable you to ask that question!

]QUOTE]The body is a biological machine with a scientifically inexplicable urge to survive and reproduce.

The body is a machine if you believe that there is no free will. If you believe there is no free will you are not responsible for your thoughts or conclusions! And far more likely to be mistaken because there are far more ways of being wrong than right. Would you trust a machine to make all your decisions for you? If not why not?

 

[tonyrey]

What is the scientific

In other words science cannot explain the value, purpose or meaning of anything. It answers the question “how?” and not “why?” It doesn’t take the future into account at all. It is backward in more senses than one!

 

[STT]

What causes the brain to cause the responses?

It is self-caused if we can agree that there is a conscious state in which it can initiate an action.

To enable you to ask that question!

That is strange. So you think a brain can ask question.

The body is a machine if you believe that there is no free will. If you believe there is no free will you are not responsible for your thoughts or conclusions! And far more likely to be mistaken because there are far more ways of being wrong than right. Would you trust a machine to make all your decisions for you? If not why not?

I have another thread in which I discuss the determinism, consciousness, free will and emergent phenomena. Your brain is you and it is not a deterministic machine. It is one of the most complicated thing in the Universe.

 

[tonyrey]

What causes the brain to cause the responses?

There is no scientific explanation of consciousness.

That is strange. So you think a brain can ask question.

I’m not the one who believes mind = brain!

The body is a machine if you believe that there is no free will. If you believe there is no free will you are not responsible for your thoughts or conclusions! And far more likely to be mistaken because there are far more ways of being wrong than right. Would you trust a machine to make all your decisions for you? If not why not?

I have another thread in which I discuss the determinism, consciousness, free will and emergent phenomena. Your brain is you and it is not a deterministic machine. It is one of the most complicated thing in the Universe.

Being complicated is not a good reason to think the brain violates the laws of nature. You haven’t answered my questions:

Would you trust a machine to make all your decisions for you? If not why not?

NB If you believe there is no free will you are not responsible for your thoughts or conclusions. And you are far more likely to be wrong because there are far more ways of being wrong than being right.

 

[STT]

There is no scientific explanation of consciousness.

There is enough scientific evidence for that. I cannot help you if you don’t want to accept this because you believe in soul.

I’m not the one who believes mind = brain!

Good.

Being complicated is not a good reason to think the brain violates the laws of nature. You haven’t answered my questions:

Brain doesn’t break any laws of nature.

Would you trust a machine to make all your decisions for you? If not why not?

Yes, if the machine is conscious and trained well.

NB If you believe there is no free will you are not responsible for your thoughts or conclusions. And you are far more likely to be wrong because there are far more ways of being wrong than being right.

I don’t understand what you are to say here.

 

[humble_catholic]

It is self-caused if we can agree that there is a conscious state in which it can initiate an action.

That is strange. So you think a brain can ask question.

I have another thread in which I discuss the determinism, consciousness, free will and emergent phenomena. Your brain is you and it is not a deterministic machine. It is one of the most complicated thing in the Universe.

Nde science is started to show that the brain is just a reviewer of consciousness not the creator of consciousness . Think dualism interactionism.

Also check dr Gary Schwartz from ucla showing that the human will can cause changes in the human brain . That is what his research on neuro plasticity in his ocd patients has shown

 

[STT]

Nde science is started to show that the brain is just a reviewer of consciousness not the creator of consciousness . Think dualism interactionism.

Also check dr Gary Schwartz from ucla showing that the human will can cause changes in the human brain . That is what his research on neuro plasticity in his ocd patients has shown

Can you please give me the references?

 

[humble_catholic]

Nde research
skeptiko.com/94-jeffrey-long-near-death-experience-research/

skeptiko.com/jeffrey-long-god-and-the-afterlife-science-329/

skeptiko.com/pim-van-lommel-transformed-by-near-death-experience-research/

deanradin.com/evidence/Greyson2010.pdf

jeffreymschwartz.com
I’m sure he has some examples on his own site of neuro plasticity or that the self or the soul by sheer force of will creates changes within the brain

This guy is no joke was on the faculty at Harvard
Chair at Yale

 

[humble_catholic]

Can you please give me the references?

Dr Sam parnia a few years ago just completed the largest peer reviewed nde study ever the aware study , and in one case a veridical nde was timed as happening for a full 3 minutes during cardiac arrest . Full conscious awareness without a functioning brain , the first scientific evidence for the soul and afterlife .

google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/12/first-hint-of-life-after-death-in-biggest-ever-scientific-study/amp/?client=safari

Here is an example of the amazing evidence s for the afterlife from peak in Darien ndes
Pediatrician Melvin Morse described the case of a 7-year-old boy dying of leukemia, who told his mother that he had traveled up a beam of light to heaven, where he visited a “crystal castle” and talked with God.

The boy said that a man there approached him and introduced himself as an old high school boyfriend of the boy’s mother. The man said he had been crippled in an automobile accident, but in the crystal castle he had regained his ability to walk. The boy’s mother had never mentioned this old boyfriend to her son, but after hearing of this vision, she called some friends and confirmed that her former boyfriend had died the very day of her son’s vision (Morse and Perry 1990:53).

And another

Physician K. M. Dale related the case of 9-year-old Eddie Cuomo, whose fever finally broke after nearly 36 hours of anxious vigil on the part of his parents and hospital personnel. As soon as he opened his eyes, at 3:00 in the morning, Eddie urgently told his parents that he had been to heaven, where he saw his deceased Grandpa Cuomo, Auntie Rosa, and Uncle Lorenzo. His father was embarrassed that Dr. Dale was overhearing Eddie’s story and tried to dismiss it as feverish delirium.

Then Eddie added that he also saw his 19-year- old sister Teresa, who told him he had to go back. His father then became agitated, because he had just spoken with Teresa, who was attending college in Vermont, two nights ago; and he asked Dr. Dale to sedate Eddie. Later that morning, when Eddie’s parents telephoned the college, they learned that Teresa had been killed in an automobile accident just after midnight, and that college officials had tried unsuccessfully to reach the Cuomos at their home to inform them of the tragic news (Steiger and Steiger 1995:42–46).