The elusive "I"?

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tonyrey said:
If you believe we are **mindless bodies you have to prove that your brain knows **it exists, has free will, can control itself, understands what it is doing and is responsible for what it is doing.
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My brain allows experience to happen. So, yes, brain can know that it exist.
 
STT said:
An experience as a event doesn’t need an experiences.
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That makes no sense. recall the standard definition of “experience”
  1. a particular instance of personally encountering or undergoing something:
    My encounter with the bear in the woods was a frightening experience.
2.the process or fact of personally observing, encountering, or undergoing something:
business experience.

3.the observing, encountering, or undergoing of things generally as they occur in the course of time: to learn from experience; the range of human experience.
  1. knowledge or practical wisdom gained from what one has observed, encountered, or undergone:a man of experience.
  2. Philosophy. the totality of the cognitions given by perception; all that is perceived, understood, and remembered.
If you have another definition please share it.
 
STT said:
Sorry for mistype. That is the right sentence (bold part is the correction): “An experience as a event doesn’t need an experiencer.”
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I understand what you meant, and it still doesn’t make sense.

Without a mind to register it, there **is **no experience.

ICXC NIKA
 
Michael_Mayo said:
That makes no sense. recall the standard definition of “experience”
  1. a particular instance of personally encountering or undergoing something:
    My encounter with the bear in the woods was a frightening experience.
2.the process or fact of personally observing, encountering, or undergoing something:
business experience.

3.the observing, encountering, or undergoing of things generally as they occur in the course of time: to learn from experience; the range of human experience.
  1. knowledge or practical wisdom gained from what one has observed, encountered, or undergone:a man of experience.
  2. Philosophy. the totality of the cognitions given by perception; all that is perceived, understood, and remembered.
If you have another definition please share it.
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I think we can agree on the first definition but definition is not our problem. We have two scenarios: (1) An experiencer receives something and experience it or (2) An experience happens for an agent as the result of processing something.
 
GEddie said:
I understand what you meant, and it still doesn’t make sense.
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It makes sense. A brain cannot possibly create an experiencer and then experience. The shortcut is to let the experience happens as a event. You only need a physical state for this.
GEddie said:
Without a mind to register it, there **is **no experience.

ICXC NIKA
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What does mind receive?
 
STT said:
I think we can agree on the first definition but definition is not our problem. We have two scenarios: (1) An experiencer receives something and experience it or (2) An experience happens for an agent as the result of processing something.
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An experience, by definition requires an subject to have the experience. An event just happening without the subject is not an experience.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
No. But I suppose a soul of some kind is also required for something to be experienced.
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A soul weaves together the fabric of experience in accordance with its physical and psychological structure. While in animals this occurs solely in time, the human spirit, rooted in eternity, the ever-present now in which change occurs, is capable of transcendence and coming to know itself as such.

The soul’s relational nature allows for experience, the spark between the knower and the known.

The Devil’s argument proving the existence of the “experiencer” would involve asking the dentist, if you were to ever need a root canal, to forgo the anesthetic. The person not so politely asking for the pain to stop, the only one in the entire universe who feels that pain would be . . .
 
STT said:
It makes sense. A brain cannot possibly create an experiencer and then experience. The shortcut is to let the experience happens as a event. You only need a physical state for this.

What does mind receive?
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A mind receives the sensory impulses from Body, that is then integrated as an “experience.”

ICXC NIKA
 
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