Is God bound by time and space? Does time and space rule over God, or does God rule over time and space?So then Christ never left the cross? Is that what you are saying?
That makes any further discussion rather pointless. f Why did you bother start this?I don’t think so, as I have said I feel like I am in the right here, and nothing that anyone says is going to change my mind.
Again with the judgments. I went to Church for 5 years or so, was even an altar boy, until I started to come across things that caused me to question what I believed in. Wasn’t too long after that that I felt I couldn’t in good conscience be a Catholic anymore, so I left.He claims to be a former Catholic. I highly doubt that. He has no real knowledge of Catholic beliefs.
No because we are not literalists. It is not simply flesh, although it is Christ. It is a divine mystery. It is Christ. We know that because Jesus Christ said so and all the scriptures and the Christian Church of the first several centuries testifies to the fact.What about this?
Genesis 9:4 “But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.”
Is there not a contradiction here between that passage and the idea that the Eucharist is Christ?
But why would he say something that contradicts what the Bible already had stated?No because we are not literalists. It is not simply flesh, although it is Christ. It is a divine mystery. It is Christ. We know that because Jesus Christ said so and all the scriptures and the Christian Church of the first several centuries testifies to the fact.
More or less to attempt to prove the Eucharist not being Christ.That makes any further discussion rather pointless. f Why did you bother start this?
Did you talk to your priest about it? Did you read books to help calm your doubts? Did you take any sort of action whatsoever to try to understand the Catholic faith?Again with the judgments. I went to Church for 5 years or so, was even an altar boy, until I started to come across things that caused me to question what I believed in. Wasn’t too long after that that I felt I couldn’t in good conscience be a Catholic anymore, so I left.
Then I feel truly sorry for you.In this case, I was trying to state my case as to why the Eucharist isn’t the Body of Christ as I have already mentioned. There is nothing for me to learn here, what I have learned already was enough for me to leave the church.
A little bit, like I started going to the Revelations Bible study at one point for a brief period. But it wasn’t too long after that I felt like I was being drawn out of the Church, and so I finally just decided to do it.Did you talk to your priest about it? Did you read books to help calm your doubts? Did you take any sort of action whatsoever to try to understand the Catholic faith?
There is no contradiction. What contradiction do you believe exists?But why would he say something that contradicts what the Bible already had stated?
How do you explain this?Again with the judgments. I went to Church for 5 years or so, was even an altar boy, until I started to come across things that caused me to question what I believed in. Wasn’t too long after that that I felt I couldn’t in good conscience be a Catholic anymore, so I left.
So your against the bible?We all know about the last supper, and it may be true that the Bible says…
“I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” John 6: 51
“For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink” John 6:55
However, this is not meant literally, and here is why:
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” John 6: 63
That scripture alone proves that the food and drink Christ spoke of was not meant to mean his body and blood, but rather HIS WORD. It is HIS WORD that gives us life and sustains us, not a little bread wafer and wine.
And where did you go? What, ouside of the Church founded by Christ, could you turn to?A little bit, like I started going to the Revelations Bible study at one point for a brief period. But it wasn’t too long after that I felt like I was being drawn out of the Church, and so I finally just decided to do it.
The Bible very clearly makes mention of not eating flesh and blood as mentioned in Genesis. By claiming to be eating those elements in the eucharist, it goes completely against that.There is no contradiction. What contradiction do you believe exists?
BTW, I am glad to see that you are interested in exploring the matter further.
Haven’t actually, though I may be going to a non-denominational Church beginning tomorrow or sometime soon.And where did you go? What, ouside of the Church founded by Christ, could you turn to?
No I am indeed not, far from that.So your against the bible?
It doesn’t contradict what the bible had already said because it is not as if it is simply flesh. It goes far beyond a literalist interpretation. That is why we call it a mystery of the faith. The seven sacraments are mysteries. The presence of Christ in the Eucharist is not an exact correspondence to the presence of Christ on the cross or in Mary’s womb. His presence is in a sacramental sense. But this does not in any way decrease His presence.But why would he say something that contradicts what the Bible already had stated?
We are also told not to worship men, and yet later we were told to worship the man Jesus Christ.What about this?
Genesis 9:4 “But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.”
Is there not a contradiction here between that passage and the idea that the Eucharist is Christ?
But you cited quotes from the Bible which stated Jesus was the bread. So you contridicted yourselfNo I am indeed not, far from that.