The Eucharist IS Scriptural!

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JCPhoenix:
Thank you for posting this!

Lately I can’t seem to stay away from the Blessed Sacrament in adoration, and sometimes I need a little boost in my faith, or a little explanation…what draws me there so strongly?

(I’m Catholic, btw). Anyway, thanks for posting all those verses. After a seminar tonight I plan to go in and hang out with our Lord and Savior and will re-read all you have posted. (In my own Bible, of course!) 🙂

Every so often I seem to fully comprehend what the Catholic Church has, and it just reduces me to absolute mush. I’m so proud to be a part of it…yet so humbled by the enormity of the miracle we witness so often.
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Before I converted to the RCC I took a trip one day down to the adoration room where the blessed sacrament was exposed. I did not know what people did in there so I snuck in trying to look like everyone else. I had been studying the Eucharist for awhile but was not sure it was Jesus. My first thought was “they are worshipping bread?”

I closed my eyes and graces poured down upon my head like oil! I must have sat there 20 minutes and my hands were shaking when I got out. I came home to tell my wife what happened (she was protestant at the time as well) …honey, I went into this room at the catholic church and there was bread and ughh…it was awesome!! It totally blessed me!!! She looked at me like i was flippin crazy! But the experience changed my heart and after that I HUNGERED day and night to have it in me. That was several years ago. My wife and I came in this Easter and I am telling you, when you come to the table of the Lord with a CLEAN heart, graces fall like fire! I am guessing alot of folks never feel the fire of the Eucharist because they don’t go to confession. It’s the greatest gift to us on earth!
 
Church Militant:
Wow Max! We so easily forget the spiritual reality.
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Yes…who would not want a share in the “Bread of Immortality?”
 
Where r the usual suspects with their flimsy arguments against the Real Presence? Sonseeker SteveH? Hello? Hmm must have had an epiphany!
 
WAIT!!! Concerning the concubine sacrificed, two questions.
  1. I still don’t see the connection with the hands, please explain more.
  2. Weren’t the Isrealites made to sin as it is unclean for them to touch the dead?
 
Correct me if I’m wrong, (or, even better, back me up with Biblical verses if I’m right) but weren’'t the Isrealites required to partake in the sacrifice by eating their share in order to be absolved of their sins. I know this to be one of the requirements of Passover. My point here is that, if we are to partake in the sacrifice of Jesus, which any Christian will tell you is just as real and physical as Old Testament sacrifices, are we not required to eat the sacrificial offering? Of course, Jesus answers this in John 6 with a very clear “yes.” To me, it seems like all the questions are answered except maybe the “how.” But why should that be a big deal for anyone who has faith in Christ? Would it be much of a miracle if we could figure it out that easily anyway? All the incredulous objections that non-Catholics have could parellel the incredulous objections of those who refuse to believe in the Trinity or the Incarnation. It just seems like a matter of faith to me. And it seems like there was a reason that John showed the early disciples walking away–he knew there would be more to follow.
 
Hi BlueMit11,

I’m sure that you’re right about this In fact I read it somewhere in a discussion of the Eucharist. The sacrificial lamb was eaten and one way to check this in the OT is to go back and look at the sins of Eli’s sons in 1st Samuel (though there are many more sources than just that one).

You’re also right about the Passover Lamb being eaten as well and since Christ is our Passover lamb and even established the Eucharist at the Passover meal of the last suppe, these things do sort of jump off the page at you if you read them. (At least to me anyway).
Pax tecum,
 
Hi MIchael:

You seem to make a distinction between sacrificial lamb and passover lamb.

Would you care to expand on it for my benefit? 🙂
(I am not a Bible expert.)

The passover lamb itself is a sacrifial lamb.

What are the other instances of sacrifical lamb?
(I know that Isaac asked his father Abraham: “Where is the lamb?”) Any more?

Thanks 🙂
 
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IesusDeus:
Hi MIchael:

You seem to make a distinction between sacrificial lamb and passover lamb.

Would you care to expand on it for my benefit? 🙂
(I am not a Bible expert.)

The passover lamb itself is a sacrifial lamb.

What are the other instances of sacrifical lamb?
(I know that Isaac asked his father Abraham: “Where is the lamb?”) Any more?

Thanks 🙂
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I didn’t mean to. They are one and the same. Thanks!
Pax tecum,
 
CM,

If you don’t mind, I’ll throw in some of my Scriptural toolbag:
Melchizedek:
  1. King of Salem (Genesis 14:18-20; Psalms 110:4)
  2. A priest and type of Christ (Hebrews 5:6,10;6:20;7:1-21)
    Offered bread and wine as a sacrifice to God. So revered that Abraham gave him a tithe offering. Christ is a priest in the order Melchizedek - He offers Himself as bread and wine, the ultimate sacrifice before God. Melchizedek was the King of Salem (from"Shalom", or “Peace”), prefiguring the true Prince of Peace. Later, Salem became Jerusalem, where Christ instituted His reign. Prophetically, Bethlahem comes from the Hebrew “House of Bread”, which is home to Christ.
Passover:
  1. Institution of
    (Exodus 12:3-49;23:15-18;34:18; Leviticus 23:4-8; Numbers 9:2-5,)
  2. The lamb killed by Levites, for those who were ceremonially unclean (2 Chronicles 30:17;35:3-11; Ezra 6:20)
  3. Strangers authorized to celebrate (Exodus 12:48,49; Numbers 9:14) - prefigures Baptism as a requirement to partake in Eucharist
  4. Observed at the place designated by God (Deuteronomy 16:5-7)
  5. Observed with unleavened bread (no yeast) (Exodus 12:8,15-20;13:3,6;23:15; Leviticus 23:6; Numbers 9:11;)
  6. Penalty for neglecting to observe (Numbers 9:13)
  7. Re-instituted by Ezekiel (Ezekiel 45:21-24)
  8. Observed by Jesus (Matthew 26:17-20; Luke 22:15; John 2:13,23;)
  9. Jesus in the temple courtyard at the time of (Luke 2:41-50)
  10. Jesus crucified at the time of (Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1,2; John 18:28)
  11. The lamb of, a type of Christ (1 Corinthians 5:7)
  12. The Eucharist ordained at (Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14:12-25; Luke 22:7-20)
  13. Prisoner released at, by the Romans (Matthew 27:15; Mark 15:6; Luke 23:16,17; John 18:39)
  14. Peter imprisoned at the time of (Acts 12:3)
  15. Christ called “our Passover,” (1 Corinthians 5:7)
In order to have been ‘passed over’, you had to eat the lamb. Passover was commanded to be celebrated forever, which is done through the fulfillment of the Eucharist. Christians who do not celebrate Passover (in this way or the old way) are disobeying the commands of God, and have never eaten the Lamb (thus have no biblical right to believe they will be “passed over”).

Manna:
  1. General scriptures concerning (Exodus 16:4-35; Numbers 11:6-10; Deuteronomy 8:3,16; Joshua 5:12; Nehemiah 9)
  2. Preserved in the ark of the covenant (Exodus 16:33; Hebrews 9:4)
  3. Pre-figuring Christ ( John 6:48-51; 1 Corinthians 10:3; Revelations 2:17)
Christ is the true “Bread which comes down from heaven”, the “spiritual food” from which we are all to eat. As OT biblical types can only become greater in the NT, it would make no sense for the bread and wine to be “only symbolic”.

…cont’d…
 
Eucharist:
  1. General scriptures concerning institution (Matthew 26:17-30; Mark 14:22-24; Luke 13:26;22:19,20; John)
  2. Christ recognized in the Eucharist (Luke 24:30-31)
  3. A “Pure Offering” sacrifice prophesied (Malachi 1:11)
  4. Christ, our Sacrifice (Ephesians 5:2)
  5. Christ, eternally present before God as a sacrifice (Revelation 5:5-7; Revelation 5:11-13)
The Eucharist is a partaking of and a participation in the eternal sacrifice of Christ, outside of time, but conjoined with time. Christ is ever-present before the Father as our Paschal Lamb, and He allows us to be partakers of His sacrifice.

**Not Figurative (“let Scripture interpret Scripture”):
**Micah 3:3Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron.
From CA: “The phrase ‘to eat the flesh and drink the blood,’ when used figuratively among the Jews, as among the Arabs of today, meant to inflict upon a person some serious injury, especially by calumny or by false accusation. To interpret the phrase figuratively then would be to make our Lord promise life everlasting to the culprit for slandering and hating him, which would reduce the whole passage to utter nonsense”:
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The Protestant notion of Sola Scriptura forces interpretation based on what else the Bible has to say about a certain topic. No other interpretation is allowed, as you cannot “read into” Scripture simply what you want to read. Under this doctrine, there is no other interpretation possible than the above quote.

Certainly, there is a symbolic aspect to the Eucharist. There is no reason, however, to assume that the symbolic aspect is either the main or only purpose behind the Eucharist. With over three dozen Aramaic words to mean “symbolizes” or “represents”, as well as several words to choose from in Greek, it is significant that our Lord chose NONE of these words to express Himself. There is precious little reason to believe that symbolism is what Christ meant.

Rather, a Clintonian distinction is attempted by the non-believing as to what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.

Also see: Corinthians 11:23-32, but especially verses 27 and 29.

“Furthermore, according to the Greek in St. John’s account, Jesus, after the skeptical query by the Jews (6:53), actually switches terms for “eat.” At first John’s Greek word (nine times in John 6:23-53) is phago, a generic term for eat, used accordingly (literally) throughout the New Testament. But in John 6:54-58 the word used (four times) is the more graphic and particular trogo, which means literally “gnaws” or “chews,” as any Greek lexicon (such as Kittel or Thayer) will confirm. Trogo occurs only in this passage and in Matthew 24:38 and John 13:18. In those two verses, it conveys literal eating, and there are strong contextual, exegetical, and linguistic reasons to believe that it is intended literally in John 6 as well.”

God bless,
RyanL
 
Thanks RyanL!
The whole point is to supply as complete a scriptural picture of the Eucharistic context as possible and you have certainly contributed to that and I appreciate it very much.
Dominus tecum,
 
Tremendous posts here for meditation. Special graces during the year of the Eucharist perhaps.

I also would like to add a Scriptural meditation on the Eucharist. The fact that man does not live on bread alone, but EVERY WORD that comes forth from the mouth of God.

Well could that be reduced to the words in the Bible? No. The Bible itself says that if I (St. John) were to write everything Jesus did (including what He said) the whole world couldn’t hold the books.

Then HOW can we get EVERY word that comes from the mouth of an infinite God without . . . .

. . .(you know what I’m going to say) . . . without receiving God Himself?

We can’t receive EVERY word from the mouth of God without receiving Him. We do receive Jesus, ALL of Jesus (Body Blood Soul and Divinity) when we receive Him in the Eucharist. This is HOW we receive EVERY WORD that comes from the mouth of God – by receiving the God-man Jesus Christ Himself.

And Jesus uses this saying in the context of mere “bread” isn’t good enough (Coincidence? I don’t think so). But of course the “Bread” of Life is!

God bless and keep up the fine work. Love our Lord Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament.
 
Can I get some Hebrews quotes in this love fest?!

I will give a couple for starters-
“For Christ did not enter a MAN-MADE sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; HE entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. NOR did he enter heaven to offer himself AGAIN and AGAIN, the way a high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer MANY times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared ONCE for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgement, so Christ was sacrificed ONCE to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.”
Hebrews 9:24-28

So let me ask you, in The Gospel According to John 6, where does the Apostle John write the word “wine” in Jesus’ Bread of Life teaching? I can’t seem to find it, do you? I’m even looking at a catholic bible, but I cant find it. Lets keep in mind the Apostle John wrote this gospel book apart from the other 3 gospels. So lets fast forward to what happened during the last supper. We find that John does not write how Jesus ordained us to take Bread and Wine to proclaim his death for our forgivness of sins like was done in the other 3 gospels. Likewise, the Bread of Life teaching in John 6 is not found in the other 3 gospels. Why would this be? Maybe the Apostle John thought if he included the blessings of the bread and wine in his gospel along with the Bread of Life teaching that there would be those who would believe tha…, well you know what Im getting at.

But there is something else that happened at the last supper that covered alot of page space. Jesus’ washing of the disciples feet. So was this act by our Lord and Savior meant to be done only once? If not, how is it practiced in the RCC today? I know of lay people kissing bishops rings, but what about this act the Apostle John speaks of? Jesus states-“I have given you a model to follow, so that as I have done for you, you should do also.” “Your Excellancy” is another title I hear the RCC realm.
 
Anyways, lets skip back to John 4 13-14-
Jesus said to the Samaritan woman, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again; but whoever drinks the water I shall give will never thirst; the water I shall give will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

John 4 32-
Jesus said, “I have food to eat of which you do not know.”…"My food is to do the will of the one who sent me and TO FINISH HIS WORK."

John 6:26-27
Jesus answered them and said-"Amen, amen I say to you, you are looking for me not because you saw the signs but because you ate the loaves and were filled. (Looks like Jesus catches those that were fed in the beginning of chapter 6 of wanting a temporary “hand out”, not an eternal “hand up”.)
Jesus said-“Do not WORK for food that perishes but for food the endures for eternal life, which the son of man will give you.”
Well, you know the rest of chapter 6. I especially love Jesus when he finishes saying-“The WORDS I have spoken to you are Spirit and life.” The Apostle Peter sums it up perfectly-“You have the WORDS of eternal life.”

Jesus’ Words and the Works. You want Jesus in your life? God is telling us to TAKE HIM ALL! Taking only what you need for yourself from this real bread of heaven, that is Jesus, will never give you eternal life. His words and his works! Jesus’ body and blood is eternal spiritual food indeed!

Hold out you hand and remember the words written of Jesus-“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that WHOEVER believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Are you a “whoever”?

So if you happen to die today, I hope you believe that you will be in front of Jesus who sits at the right hand. Even if you believe in purgatory, by what AUTHORITY did you enter Jesus’ presence in heaven? Maybe it was the keys of the kingdom he gave you when you confessed that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and the son of God. But do you really believe this, or were the keys giving to one man, one line of man? Why do you think these keys too holy to bear for what Christ did for us? Is the problem here dealing with authority from others or taking this authority on for yourselves?

How can we do Jesus’ work if we cant have the authority of heaven to destroy the works of the prince of this world? If you cant accept his keys, how can you handle his REAL flesh and blood? Is not Jesus in his FULL GLORY in heaven?! Yes he is.
 
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geno75:
Jesus’ washing of the disciples feet. So was this act by our Lord and Savior meant to be done only once? If not, how is it practiced in the RCC today?
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On Holy Thursday. 😉
 
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