The Eucharist; superstition?

[Catholic90]

I have consumed him; I have accepted him as my saviour! He alone is the bread of life! I have life in me only because I have accepted him as the lamb of God!

He meant that we must accept his death as our sacrifice for our lives! The people didn’t want to believe this, they were offended by his words! But we must acknowledge that Christ’s life is the payment for our gift of heaven.

“Attending” and “joining” are not the same! If you have not been confirmed, then you are not a full member of the Church. YOu need to talk with the Parish priest about RCIA and you need to stoop recieving communion IMMEDIATELY! Only people brought into full communion of the Church can recieve the Holy Eucharist!

I think there is a confusion of terms here. I don’t think Zundrah has received Eucharist. He (she?) is referring to ingesting the words of Christ. Not the Eucharist, (which IS Christ!)

(This IS my body, this IS my blood…do this in rememberance of me…)

 

[Zundrah]

“Attending” and “joining” are not the same! If you have not been confirmed, then you are not a full member of the Church. YOu need to talk with the Parish priest about RCIA and you need to stoop recieving communion IMMEDIATELY! Only people brought into full communion of the Church can recieve the Holy Eucharist!

Hello Betts,
I am only recieving a blessing from the priest at communion, not the Eucharist…

 

[Zundrah]

I think there is a confusion of terms here. I don’t think Zundrah has received Eucharist. He (she?) is referring to ingesting the words of Christ. Not the Eucharist, (which IS Christ!)

(This IS my body, this IS my blood…do this in rememberance of me…)

Praise the Lord, you finally have understood me!

 

[Zundrah]

Ah, I got it–you’re attending a Catholic church now, and will be joining RCIA for full confirmation into the Catholic church next Easter. Gotcha.

Well, what did it for me–a former Methodist, by the way!–was when Jesus said, “This IS my body” and “This IS my blood”, and many followers left him because they were like “GAH, this guy’s saying to eat his flesh and drink his blood, seriously??”. Notice that Jesus didn’t run after them saying, “Oh wait, I really didn’t mean it like that, I only meant it metaphorically and symbolically!”.

So, His words are right there in Holy Sacred Scripture.

As far as I remember, no one actually ate his flesh while he was alive or dead!

 

[Convert66]

Zundrah,

I apologize for assuming you were familiar with the New Testament.

“Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord… A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgement on himself. That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying.” (I Corinthians 11:27-30)

Again I ask, how can one eat and drink a metaphor unworthily—even to the point of sickness and death?

 

[Zundrah]

Zundrah,

I apologize for assuming you were familiar with the New Testament.

“Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord… A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. For anyone who eats and without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgement on himself. That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying.” (I Corinthians 11:27-30)

Again I ask, how can one eat and drink a metaphor unworthily—even to the point of sickness and death?

You are forgetting one thing… I left my methodist church only just before chirstmas! My bible interpritation is of the methodist doctrine!

 

[Zundrah]

I was converted and baptized in my methodist church.

 

[Convert66]

So then tell me how a Methodist eats the bread and drinks the cup unworthily unto sickness and even death.

How does a Methodist metaphor kill a Methodist?

 

[Zundrah]

So then tell me how a Methodist eats the bread and drinks the cup unworthily unto sickness and even death.

How does a Methodist metaphor kill a Methodist?

I don’t understand that question! What are you saying!? Are you just deliberately being difficult or are you actually trying to find answers? Explain your question better please… I’m having trouble here right now.

 

[slyboots]

I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."
52
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”
53
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54
Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
57
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
58
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
59
These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
60
20 Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?” 61
Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, "Does this shock you?

If He was speaking metaphorically why would it shock them? Why would some of the disciples leave?
He was NOT speaking metaphorically. He meant just what He said. The bread which is changed at eucharist becomes His body and the wine becomes His blood and that is what Catholics believe in strongly.
You won’t be getting crackers and Welches in the Catholic church.

 

[Convert66]

In your OP you said the Eucharist was a metaphor. St. Paul tells us that there were Christians in Corinth going to the Lord’s Table not “discerning” the body properly (unworthily) and as a result many were sick and many had even died.

If only a metaphor, how can this be? Metaphors don’t kill people. Cancers do. Metaphors do not hit anyone over the head, but sticks and guns and fists and all manner of weaponry do hit people over the head.

Metaphors are metaphorical. They do not have magical powers to do anything, let alone kill someone who pondered them in his heart unworthily . Huh?

The Eucharist as “metaphor” makes far less sense than the “Real Presence” if you believe God is omnipresent and does miracles. If you believe that much, the Eucharist is possible. From there, what do the Church and the Scriptures have to say?

I had a similar problem, I suppose, coming from my own protestantism. But the Incarnation should be witness enough that the Eucharist is not only possible, but understandable and almost obvious. True God, True Man. True Bread, True Blood. “Really Present” as opposed to what we perceive on our own.

The Eucharist as metaphor divides Jesus’ Deity from His Humanity, because it is a denial that God can “veil” Himself in the Flesh, or in bread or in wine. It is almost ancient gnostic, in that it assigns absurdity to the proposition that God can be here in physical appearance, as if it is beneath Him. The Incarnation is witness that it is not beneath our God to appear in created matter. If He said “this is my body . . .” then it is His body. How He accomplishes this is His business. But if He can make the worlds out of nothing, surely He can make Himself out of human flesh, or Sacred Bread and Wine. My task is to walk by faith and not by sight.

Is that clearer? I hope.

 

[Zundrah]

In your OP you said the Eucharist was a metaphor. St. Paul tells us that there were Christians in Corinth going to the Lord’s Table not “discerning” the body properly (unworthily) and as a result many were sick and many had even died.

If only a metaphor, how can this be? Metaphors don’t kill people. Cancers do. Metaphors do not hit anyone over the head, but sticks and guns and fists and all manner of weaponry do hit people over the head.

Metaphors are metaphorical. They do not have magical powers to do anything, let alone kill someone who pondered them in his heart unworthily . Huh?

The Eucharist as “metaphor” makes far less sense than the “Real Presence” if you believe God is omnipresent and does miracles. If you believe that much, the Eucharist is possible. From there, what do the Church and the Scriptures have to say?

I had a similar problem, I suppose, coming from my own protestantism. But the Incarnation should be witness enough that the Eucharist is not only possible, but understandable and almost obvious. True God, True Man. True Bread, True Blood. “Really Present” as opposed to what we perceive on our own.

The Eucharist as metaphor divides Jesus’ Deity from His Humanity, because it is a denial that God can “veil” Himself in the Flesh, or in bread or in wine. It is almost ancient gnostic, in that it assigns absurdity to the proposition that God can be here in physical appearance, as if it is beneath Him. The Incarnation is witness that it is not beneath our God to appear in created matter. If He said “this is my body . . .” then it is His body. How He accomplishes this is His business. But if He can make the worlds out of nothing, surely He can make Himself out of human flesh, or Sacred Bread and Wine. My task is to walk by faith and not by sight.

Is that clearer? I hope.

Nope, it makes no sense what so ever.

 

[Zundrah]

So then tell me how a Methodist eats the bread and drinks the cup unworthily unto sickness and even death.

How does a Methodist metaphor kill a Methodist?

Those people who died after taking the Eucharist died because of earthly reasons, not becuase they didn’t believe.

 

[Zundrah]

I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."
52
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”
53
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54
Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
57
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
58
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
59
These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
60
20 Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?” 61
Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, "Does this shock you?

If He was speaking metaphorically why would it shock them? Why would some of the disciples leave?
He was NOT speaking metaphorically. He meant just what He said. The bread which is changed at eucharist becomes His body and the wine becomes His blood and that is what Catholics believe in strongly.
You won’t be getting crackers and Welches in the Catholic church.

The funniest thing is this; Christ handed out bread and said “this is my body”, but your catholic church hands out unleavened…

 

[slyboots]

Zundrah,
Belief in the Body and Blood of Christ is intrinsic to the Catholic faith. To not believe in the reality of the Eucharist and the transubstantiation that occurs at Mass keeps you from receiving worthily. 1 Corinthians 11:27 begins Paul’s description of this

Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. 12
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A person should examine himself, 13 and so eat the bread and drink the cup.
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For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment 14 on himself.
30
That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying.
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If we discerned ourselves, we would not be under judgment;

and this is the foot note for it as Catholics believe.
12 [27] It follows that the only proper way to celebrate the Eucharist is one that corresponds to Jesus’ intention, which fits with the meaning of his command to reproduce his action in the proper spirit. If the Corinthians eat and drink unworthily, i.e., without having grasped and internalized the meaning of his death for them, they will have to answer for the body and blood, i.e., will be guilty of a sin against the Lord himself. NAB

PS I have had many breads which were unleavened. In Mexico they are called tortillas, in India they may be called naan, in other places pita breads. bread doesn’t have to be leavened to be bread.

 

[Convert66]

Zundrah, you display no evidence of believing basic Christianity, let alone Catholicism.

 

[emhansen6019]

Christ never saud “bite me and eat my flesh now” did he? He never said “drink my blood like a vampire” did he? So obviously they never really thought he was saying to cannabilise on him, that’s not why they left, you are just being silly now!

51"I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."

52 Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”

53So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

54"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

55"For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

56"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

57"As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

58"This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever."

John 6:51-58

Notice Jesus uses the word eat 7 times in the 8 verses (of course there were no verses when He spoke this). The Greek verb used for eat in theses verses was not the normal Greek verb for human eating. Instead it was the greek verb used for animal eating, “munch” or “gnaw.”

So yes, Jesus said “gnaw my flesh and drink my blood”

 

[Zundrah]

51"I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."

52 Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”

53So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

54"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

55"For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

56"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

57"As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

58"This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever."

John 6:51-58

Notice Jesus uses the word eat 7 times in the 8 verses (of course there were no verses when He spoke this). The Greek verb used for eat in theses verses was not the normal Greek verb for human eating. Instead it was the greek verb used for animal eating, “munch” or “gnaw.”

So yes, Jesus said “gnaw my flesh and drink my blood”

Btu no one actually intended on eating him, so it was obviously a metaphore!

 

[Zundrah]

Zundrah, you display no evidence of believing basic Christianity, let alone Catholicism.

I love my Christ, I live in him and him in me. He ties the bonds with me and God, without him I would not know God at all. the gospel is the word and the message, not eating bread or wine.

Once again I will ask you; because I do not take the Eucharist do you then try to tell me that I have no life in me?

 

[Convert66]

Zundrah,

I believe you have life in you because you confess that Jesus is Lord. The Scriptures say that no one can except by the Spirit of God. I think you believe and have not really considered what you believe and why. But hey, to each their own.