The Expectation of the Messiah

[YKohen]

Dont be ridiculous

Where is the word “Satan” there? it certainly isn’t in the original Hebrew text, and I just checked: It isn’t in the Septuagint either.

On the other hand, man does have an ongoing mutual hatred with snakes. If you found one in your yard, you would certainly kill it.

 

[InJesusItrust]

All people do good deeds too. Why don’t you call them “good-deed doers”? You choose the negatives that they do.

We believe that G-d gives man free will to choose good or evil, and in fact, everyone does some of each: The righteous do many more good deeds than bad deeds. The wicked to many more bad deeds than good deeds. Most people are somewhere in the middle, and I would like to think, on the good side.

Why shouldn’t we get tax cuts and rewards every time we follow the law? Why should we be called criminals when we break it, and nothing special when we follow it?

 

[fatima12]

Where is the word “Satan” there? it certainly isn’t in the original Hebrew text, and I just checked: It isn’t in the Septuagint either.

On the other hand, man does have an ongoing mutual hatred with snakes. If you found one in your yard, you would certainly kill it.

That is precisely why the term snake was used to best describe the nature of the seedline

 

[504Katrin]

So because Eve sinned I would be considered a sinner? This is original sin? What does her sin have to do with me?

 

[InJesusItrust]

So because Eve sinned I would be considered a sinner? This is original sin? What does her sin have to do with me?

There is both original sin and committed sin. I think that going to Limbo is possible if you die without committing sin. I read this somewhere.

 

[504Katrin]

There is both original sin and committed sin. I think that going to Limbo is possible if you die without committing sin. I read this somewhere.

oh okay, thanks!

 

[mercytruth]

See 1 Chronicles 22
9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about; for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.

10 He shall build a house for My name; and he shall be to Me for a son, and I will be to him for a father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.

YKohen, verse 10 is problematic. There was no descemdant from King Solomon who reigned over Israel in the past two thousand years. Only Jesus called G-d his Father, and Jesus implied that he is the fulfillment of Psalm 110:1.

In addtion, 2 Samuel 7:12 says that the descendant of King David will be on his throne after King David dies: "And when thy days shall be fulfilled, and thou shall sleep with thy fathers, I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels (meah), and I will establish his kingdom."

King Solomon, the son of King David was made King over Israel while King David was yet alive. (1 Kings 1).

shalom

 

[GaryTaylor]

On the other hand, man does have an ongoing mutual hatred with snakes. If you found one in your yard, you would certainly kill it.

Perhaps, what if was a slick talking serpent?

 

[GaryTaylor]

So because Eve sinned I would be considered a sinner? This is original sin? What does her sin have to do with me?

Nothing, her sin was her sin. Nothing personal, nevertheless the nature of man was affected by the removal of an aspect of Gods Grace, post Genesis confrontation with Adam/Eve and God.

This removal of Grace caused all since Adam/Eve to inherit this fallen state, man was taken hostage by evil. Christ redeems man and re-established the open Gate of Heaven. Through Baptism you re-unite with Christ through Grace. Yet the inclination to sin and other aspects of the fractured nature due to a lack of Grace remain. Which is why the sacraments of the Church are important.

 

[YKohen]

Why shouldn’t we get tax cuts and rewards every time we follow the law? Why should we be called criminals when we break it, and nothing special when we follow it?

Thank G-d, G-d isn’t like that:

Isaiah 1

16 Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before Mine eyes, cease to do evil;

17 Learn to do well; seek justice, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD; though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

The alternative is that de facto, there is no difference between the righteous and the wicked, between people spending their lives doing good and those doing evil, between Mother Theresa and Adolf Hitler.

IMHO, that cannot possibly be the case. G-d is merciful and He is just.

 

[YKohen]

That is precisely why the term snake was used to best describe the nature of the seedline

This is in English:

Snake: Any of numerous limbless, scaly, elongate reptiles of the suborder Serpentes, comprising venomous and nonvenomous species inhabiting tropical and temperate areas.

Satan: The chief evil spirit; the great adversary of humanity; the devil.

Not the same thing.

 

[InJesusItrust]

Err, are not most of the Jewish commandments "thou shalt not"s?

If you broke them it would be a problem, but one should not expect any special treatment for keeping them (which the Pharisees did). It would be presumptuous to think that God should owe special blessings for not breaking His law.

The righteous are those who are humble, and everyone who exalts himself will be brought low.

 

[YKohen]

YKohen, verse 10 is problematic. There was no descemdant from King Solomon who reigned over Israel in the past two thousand years. Only Jesus called G-d his Father, and Jesus implied that he is the fulfillment of Psalm 110:1.

1 Chronicles 28

6 And He said unto me: Solomon thy son, he shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be to Me for a son, and I will be to him for a father.

7 And I will establish his kingdom for ever, if he be constant to do My commandments and Mine ordinances, as at this day.

Which is consistent with everywhere else where G-d tells us that when we are good, we will be rewarded and when we are bad, we will be punished.

Just like Deuteronomy 30, Ezekiel 36-37, etc. where G-d promises us that just as He exiles us, He will bring us back home again- and He is clearly doing that now, same with the kingship of Solomon.

Forever means forever: The kingship is Solomon’s.

I have no idea what you mean about Psalms 110; couldn’t even get it from the context. Sorry.

In addtion, 2 Samuel 7:12 says that the descendant of King David will be on his throne after King David dies: "And when thy days shall be fulfilled, and thou shall sleep with thy fathers, I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels (meah), and I will establish his kingdom."

King Solomon, the son of King David was made King over Israel while King David was yet alive. (1 Kings 1).

shalom

Solomon really established the kingdom after King David was dead. That was when he expanded, built the Temple, etc.

 

[YKohen]

Perhaps, what if was a slick talking serpent?

That was before lawyers and used car salesmen.

 

[YKohen]

Err, are not most of the Jewish commandments "thou shalt not"s?

If you broke them it would be a problem, but one should not expect any special treatment for keeping them (which the Pharisees did). It would be presumptuous to think that God should owe special blessings for not breaking His law.

The righteous are those who are humble, and everyone who exalts himself will be brought low.

There are 248 positive commandments and 365 negative commandments.

We don’t expect any special treatment (I have no idea what you’re talking about with the Pharisees: Sorry- although it doesn’t really matter here), but G-d, in His infinite mercy, gives it to us all anyway.

And if, as you say, “The righteous are those who are humble”, are you to consider them “sinners” as well?

 

[InJesusItrust]

Okay, I will; restate. The righteous are those who keep the commandments but do not presume that they are righteous.

9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed abouta himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

 

[TexanKnight]

That was before lawyers and used car salesmen.

hmmm…so now you bash professions?

 

[YKohen]

Okay, I will; restate. The righteous are those who keep the commandments but do not presume that they are righteous.

Sounds reasonable.

“Hillel would say: … Do not believe in yourself until the day you die” (Avot 2:4)

 

[YKohen]

hmmm…so now you bash professions?

“Now”? What did I bash before?

Actually, some of my best friends are lawyers; honest ones.

 

[504Katrin]

That was before lawyers and used car salesmen.

LOL!!!

and before “authentic” football jersey salesmen… lol