I don’t know about the “end of time” since I don’t know if time will end but at some time, ALL will know what Jesus did for ALL, do you think that what was done for ALL will be meaningful, in a good way, for ALL and how do you feel about that?
Wouldn’t someone need to subscribe to the concept of “sin” to see themselves is sinful, sinless, or anywhere inbetween?
We have appropriated what belongs to God to our detriment. Reality belongs to God as its Creator and the ultimate Truth.
If I have understood you correctly, there is no point our discussing these matters. My mind is closed to anything that is not accepted by the Church. And, your mind is closed to anything that does not fit your interpretation of scripture.
Do you mean sin in the theological sense rather than in the practical sense?
Interesting that this is your reply.
Charlie who, Mary who?
If you mean the Original Sin, the Fall, then what you’re saying is Mormon or some Hindu doctrine, but to the best of my knowledge, not Catholic doctrine.
If it’s in our nature, then it’s not our fault; we cannot be blamed for something that is in our nature.
I should just take your word that it will be so?
This is just your projection. And I dare say a malevolent one.
Even the theological senses differ For some its a state of separation from God. For some it is the violation of a divine law. In either case they seem to be dependent on someone having certain religious stances.
Some see this as situational and that by itself lying and deception can be justifiable (classic example: Are there any Jews in your attic).
You may have to subscribe to religious concepts to see actions as a “sin.” A more inclusive question nigh be “have you ever committed a moral infraction.” Though in either case the actions some one sees as “wrong” may differ from yours. Ex: You may see masturbation as a “sin” while another as an innocuous activity.
Some don’t. So the question might not be as meaningful to those that don’t subscribe.
You can call them trivial if you choose, but its opinion.
No. Even a child knows right from wrong. If a child steals candy from the store and knows he should pay for it, that is wrong and that is sin. All sin is knowing right from wrong. Surely you can subscribe to the concept of right from wrong, can you not?
Yes Really. Why do you sound surprised?
Then the CCC is inconsistent, since in the section below it reads as I gave it:
SECTION ONE "I BELIEVE" - "WE BELIEVE"
CHAPTER THREE MAN'S RESPONSE TO GOD
Article 2 WE BELIEVE
The Credo
Of course. And some servants have to do some pretty dirty work.
I never said I “believe in Satan.”
Then they’re all crazy …
It’s not that uncommon for Christians to blame Satan. “Satan made me do it”, “It was Satan’s work.”
Exactly.
Telling, isn’t it?
I started a thread on this. in the meantime I really don’t understand some things about Catholics.
Really? Only Catholic’s? Why just Catholic’s.
but here it is). Do you believe in the existence of God? Better?
It could be argued (so I will) that anyone who is driven to do good deeds through fear of hell or a desire to get into heaven is acting out of cowardice or selfishness, and against the spirit of love in 1 Cor 13: “If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.”
Not just Catholics; but specifically Catholics because I grew up among them (while not one of them), so they are sort of my reference group.
God’s existence is not a matter to belief, cannot be a matter of belief. If God is defined as the Being Who Precedes and Contextualizes All Other Beings, the God is beyond all issues of belief.I will make my question easier, (I really thought it was easy to begin with
As far as I understood, this is the Catholic view. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can provide a reference to the CCC.
This could indeed be taken to mean that the doctrine of heaven and hell is a kind of reward-and-punishment didactic strategy.
How about you? Do you believe I the being who precedes…?
You are correct, If you follow God and his commands you will be rewarded with his presence in heaven.
I am not the one projecting.