The festering problem of homosexual dissent in St. Paul-Minneapolis MN

[Catholic29]

Orionthehunter:

We don’t disagree that what is promoted at SJA is a scandal. I’m sickened at my core.

Your suggested remedy is IMHO the very last resort. And since we are talking about what could affect the final state of these hurting people’s souls, I’m going to continue to support and pray for every single option that tries to bring them back to the Teachings of the Church. When I look at all the **** the Holy Spirit endured for a lot longer and on a wider scale than SJA, I will have the patience of Job.

What you suggest is good and commendable.

But those within the “Catholic” homosexual advocacy movement, have suggested on numerous occasions that they believe the Vatican and Magisterium’s teachings on homosexuality are flat out wrong. This is not as much about uncertainty about what the Church teaches, though indeed they are causing much discontent amongst the ill-catechized, but is more about their wilful rejection of defined Catholic and general Biblical teaching.

Here is Archbishop Flynn’s own words from the Catholic Spirit on Rainbow Sash wearers recieving communion on Pentecost sunday:

“It has become apparent to me that the wearing of the sash is more and more perceived as a protest against church teaching,”

thecatholicspirit.com/archives.php?article=3964

And it has been proven that the people at SJA and Rainbow Sash (as well as CPCSM, Dignity USA and others) are ideologically on the same page with regard to homosexuality. Basically if they can’t get the Church to change its teachings for them, then they will simply undermine it by claiming nothing in the Bible condemns the active practice of homosexuality. Which of course there is ample Scriptural proof He in fact did.

 

[Orionthehunter]

Catholic29:

What you suggest is good and commendable.

But those within the “Catholic” homosexual advocacy movement, have suggested on numerous occasions that they believe the Vatican and Magisterium’s teachings on homosexuality are flat out wrong. This is not as much about uncertainty about what the Church teaches, though indeed they are causing much discontent amongst the ill-catechized, but is more about their wilful rejection of defined Catholic and general Biblical teaching.

Here is Archbishop Flynn’s own words from the Catholic Spirit on Rainbow Sash wearers recieving communion on Pentecost sunday:

And it has been proven that the people at SJA and Rainbow Sash (as well as CPCSM, Dignity USA and others) are ideologically on the same page with regard to homosexuality. Basically if they can’t get the Church to change its teachings for them, then they will simply undermine it by claiming nothing in the Bible condemns the active practice of homosexuality. Which of course there is ample Scriptural proof He in fact did.

This speaks to the great challenge facing the Archbishop and the Pastor in their responsibility to bring them closer to God and His plan for them. And it speaks to our great responsibility to support them with our prayer, fasting and penance.

 

[Catholic29]

Orionthehunter:

This speaks to the great challenge facing the Archbishop and the Pastor in their responsibility to bring them closer to God and His plan for them. And it speaks to our great responsibility to support them with our prayer, fasting and penance.

But is the new Pastor, Fr. Debruycker, on the same page as Rome in his own views on homosexuality? Some in this thread have suggested he is not.

 

[Orionthehunter]

Catholic29:

But is the new Pastor, Fr. Debruycker, on the same page as Rome in his own views on homosexuality? Some in this thread have suggested he is not.

1. The Archbishop has appointed a Priest as Pastor.
2. The Archbishop has made it clear that the "the Archdiocese welcomes gay and lesbian worshippers who are in full communion with the moral teachings of the Church as they apply to all Catholics. It does not, however, endorse the promotion of sexual relations among unmarried persons.”
3. The Archbishop has directed that people who wear sash’s to communion to be denied communion.

Why would we doubt that he and his Priest are not on the same page? Becuase Fr. Debruyker has presided at Masses for Dignity? Do you think it would be more effective for someone who has credibility and built relationships in the gay community to re-catechize the people at St. Joan or someone whose reputation is thought to be hostile to people struggling w/ homosexality?

 

[Brendan]

Catholic29:

But is the new Pastor, Fr. Debruycker, on the same page as Rome in his own views on homosexuality? Some in this thread have suggested he is not.

Well, by his own admission, he presided over Masses for the dissident group DigntyUSA.

And it was asked by the SJA parishioners to be their pastor, but initially declined.

Neither speaks very highly of his orthodoxy.

(see post 11 above)

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[Orionthehunter]

Brendan:

Well, by his own admission, he presided over Masses for the dissident group DigntyUSA.

And it was asked by the SJA parishioners to be their pastor, but initially declined.

Neither speaks very highly of his orthodoxy.

(see post 11 above)

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I’ll defer to the judgment of my Archbishop, you presumption from Detroit not withstanding.

 

[Catholic29]

Orionthehunter:

1. The Archbishop has appointed a Priest as Pastor.
2. The Archbishop has made it clear that the "the Archdiocese welcomes gay and lesbian worshippers who are in full communion with the moral teachings of the Church as they apply to all Catholics. It does not, however, endorse the promotion of sexual relations among unmarried persons.”
3. The Archbishop has directed that people who wear sash’s to communion to be denied communion.

Why would we doubt that he and his Priest are not on the same page? Becuase Fr. Debruyker has presided at Masses for Dignity? Do you think it would be more effective for someone who has credibility and built relationships in the gay community to re-catechize the people at St. Joan or someone whose reputation is thought to be hostile to people struggling w/ homosexality?

Well, again here is a quote from St. Joan’s own website about where Fr. DeBruyker is from, and what he has done:
**
St. Joan of Arc parish website:
Good News! We Have a Pastor! Our new pastor is Fr. Jim DeBruycker. Fr. Jim grew up in St. Paul. He graduated from St. John’s in Collegeville in 1971, he then went to work for the phone company, and in 1978 entered the Seminary. He has served at Immaculate Conception in Columbia Heights, at Incarnation in Minneapolis, and at St. Olaf. He served as a regular presider for Dignity, at the Newman Center. He is presently serving as a Chaplain at Hennepin County Medical Center, and as Pastor at St. Leonard’s (just 5 blocks north of St. Joan’s). When George announced his retirement, about 7 months ago we asked him to interview at St. Joan’s. He had just gotten an extension for three years at St. Leonard’s and was in the middle of a construction project so he turned us down. But late in June the Archbishop called and asked him most persuasively to reconsider; now here he is!

Fr. Jim will start the first week in December. The website hopes to have an interview with him soon. Welcome Fr. Jim!!

stjoan.com/pastor.htm **
Seems our friend Brendan from Detroit may have a point, wouldn’t you agree?

 

[BobR]

For folks concerned about the sprititual health of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, please click here for a list of **38 **perpetual ordination chapels in the area; click here for an article about the **15 **priest ordained here last year which includes the following:
Others also attributed their vocation to Archbishop Harry J. Flynn of St. Paul-Minneapolis, who conducts annual retreats and frequent vocation dinners for men considering a vocation to the priesthood.

“That interaction is invaluable,” said Father Kevin McDonough, vicar general. “It’s impossible to overestimate the importance of the personal engagement of Archbishop Flynn.”

The priest also credited direct recruitment at the parish level for the increased size of this spring’s ordination class. “That comes from pastors, teachers, parents, people in the pew,” he said.

One of the newly ordained, Father Randel Kasel, also credited the archdiocese at large for routinely praying for an increase in vocations.

“There’s an archdiocesan prayer, and I will not underestimate that,” he told The Catholic Spirit, the archdiocesan newspaper. “It is a very specific, efficacious prayer.”

During the ordination ceremony at the Cathedral of St. Paul, Archbishop Flynn advised the ordinands to “let people see you at prayer, let them see you before the Blessed Sacrament, let them see you with your rosary, let them see you meditating on the Scriptures in the church.”

He also encouraged them to visit the sick in hospitals and nursing homes frequently and stressed the need for well-prepared homilies.

Regarding parish work, the archbishop stressed that the new priests should not “start battles” but instead should “try to keep people together. It’s hard, it’s very difficult, but listen to them and then speak the word kindly. That is one of the reasons that we exist – to bring the people of God together.”

And click here for an article about the amazing renewal of the parish I grew up in which includes this:
MINNEAPOLIS (CNS) – A north Minneapolis parish that has watched its population dwindle has merged with a nearby Vietnamese parish whose numbers have doubled in the past 18 years.
…
“We’re looking forward to having children here again, and young people,” said Anne Gibbs, a lifelong member of St. Anne.

In its heyday in the 1940s and 1950s, St. Anne “would have at least five Masses on Sundays, and it was doubled, one upstairs and one downstairs” for the 9:30 a.m. Mass, Gibbs said. “We had a school, and the school was full, with 500 to 600 children.”
…
“Now, we are down to about 130 people, which counts people in nursing homes,” she told The Catholic Spirit, newspaper of the St. Paul-Minneapolis Archdiocese. The school building is rented out to a charter school.

Meanwhile, St. Joseph Hien, the archdiocese’s Vietnamese parish, has been bursting at the seams since it was established in 1987.

It’s so big that parishioners have to rent a local high school auditorium for major feast day Masses, said the pastor, Father Jim Ngo Khoi.

**“We have about 100 baptisms every year, 30 to 40 weddings every year,” he said. “Right now, we have almost 700 families, almost 3,000 people. … Every Sunday, people are standing around in stairways and hallways.”

**At my current parish nearby we don’t have perpetual adoration, but we have it all day on Thursday, we have a full school, a newly rebuilt alter that gives the tabernacle a central place again, and confessions 5 days a week.

Yes, St. Joan’s is an embarrasment, but things are just fine here, thanks. (And thanks to Archbishop Flynn.)

 

[Catholic29]

BobR:

For folks concerned about the sprititual health of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, please click here for a list of **38 **perpetual ordination chapels in the area; click here for an article about the **15 **priest ordained here last year which includes the following:Others also attributed their vocation to Archbishop Harry J. Flynn of St. Paul-Minneapolis, who conducts annual retreats and frequent vocation dinners for men considering a vocation to the priesthood.

“That interaction is invaluable,” said Father Kevin McDonough, vicar general. “It’s impossible to overestimate the importance of the personal engagement of Archbishop Flynn.”

The priest also credited direct recruitment at the parish level for the increased size of this spring’s ordination class. “That comes from pastors, teachers, parents, people in the pew,” he said.

One of the newly ordained, Father Randel Kasel, also credited the archdiocese at large for routinely praying for an increase in vocations.

“There’s an archdiocesan prayer, and I will not underestimate that,” he told The Catholic Spirit, the archdiocesan newspaper. “It is a very specific, efficacious prayer.”

During the ordination ceremony at the Cathedral of St. Paul, Archbishop Flynn advised the ordinands to “let people see you at prayer, let them see you before the Blessed Sacrament, let them see you with your rosary, let them see you meditating on the Scriptures in the church.”

He also encouraged them to visit the sick in hospitals and nursing homes frequently and stressed the need for well-prepared homilies.

Regarding parish work, the archbishop stressed that the new priests should not “start battles” but instead should “try to keep people together. It’s hard, it’s very difficult, but listen to them and then speak the word kindly. That is one of the reasons that we exist – to bring the people of God together.”

And click here for an article about the amazing renewal of the parish I grew up in which includes this:MINNEAPOLIS (CNS) – A north Minneapolis parish that has watched its population dwindle has merged with a nearby Vietnamese parish whose numbers have doubled in the past 18 years.

…
“We’re looking forward to having children here again, and young people,” said Anne Gibbs, a lifelong member of St. Anne.

In its heyday in the 1940s and 1950s, St. Anne “would have at least five Masses on Sundays, and it was doubled, one upstairs and one downstairs” for the 9:30 a.m. Mass, Gibbs said. “We had a school, and the school was full, with 500 to 600 children.”
…
“Now, we are down to about 130 people, which counts people in nursing homes,” she told The Catholic Spirit, newspaper of the St. Paul-Minneapolis Archdiocese. The school building is rented out to a charter school.

At my current parish nearby we don’t have perpetual adoration, but we have it all day on Thursday, we have a full school, a newly rebuilt alter that gives the tabernacle a central place again, and confessions 5 days a week.

Yes, St. Joan’s is an embarrasment, but things are just fine here, thanks. (And thanks to Archbishop Flynn.)

Well, Minneapolis and St. Paul is a big place, so I’m sure you can find virtually every stripe and flavor of Catholicism one can imagine there.

But with all of the orthodox and faith-filled parishes the Twin Cities abounds with, I wonder why groups such as Rainbow Sash, Catholic Pastoral Committee on Sexual Minorities (their site: mtn.org/cpcsm/ ) and Dignity seem so prevalent?

Take a look here , here , here and the rest

So why is it only a handful of lay groups such as Catholic Parents Online (their website: catholicparents.org/ ) , Ushers of the Eucharist and Rosary for Truth are directly opposing this obvious dissent?

Archbishop Flynn may be a great promoter of vocations and adoration chapels, which he is, but I have yet to see how well he is at defending the teachings of the Catholic faith when they are challenged. Denying communion to Rainbow Sashers at his Cathedral may be good, but him allowing a parish to go on its merry heterodox way in my humble opinion is not.

I will be away for a couple days, so I won’t be able to respond immediately. But take care, and God bless…

 

[BobR]

Catholic29:

Well, Minneapolis and St. Paul is a big place, so I’m sure you can find virtually every stripe and flavor of Catholicism one can imagine there.

But with all of the orthodox and faith-filled parishes the Twin Cities abounds with, I wonder why groups such as Rainbow Sash, Catholic Pastoral Committee on Sexual Minorities (their site: mtn.org/cpcsm/ ) and Dignity seem so prevalent?

Take a look here , here , here and the rest

I just don’t get it. You seem to be saying that everything bad in the archdiocese is Archbishop Flynn’s fault, but that he should get no credit for anything good.

The photos you linked to were a pro-gay-marriage protest. They are protesting the Church’s stand against gay marriage (so called) as taught by our bishop. In other words: gay folks here don’t like what the bishop says.

You link to the misleadingly-named “Catholic Pastoral Committee” as evidence of the bishop’s failure, but they are, by their own words, “a grassroots, self-supporting, and independent coalition”: he’s not responsible for their actions.

I’m not happy with St. Joan’s, but I trust that the bishop’s choice of pastor is part of a plan to slowly lead the St. Joan’s parishoners back to the fold. Isn’t that what shepherds are supposed to do?

Regarding the “Ushers of the Eucharist”, their actions during Mass created a spectacle and thier founder (spokesman?), David Pence is now once again attacking the Church by threatening to libel priests that he claims to have secret knowledge of. He’s doing this through an organization he named after the victim of a tragic murder (allegedly by a priest). The name was used without permission of the victim’s family and Pence’s actions caused them additional suffering.

St. Joan’s may pain faithful Catholics, but people like Pence subject the Church to public ridicule. He’s doing this at a time when the bishop is leading the fight for a pro-marriage (real marriage, that is) ammendment. Pence undermines the pro-marriage cause undermining the bishop.

 

[Orionthehunter]

Catholic29:

Well, Minneapolis and St. Paul is a big place, so I’m sure you can find virtually every stripe and flavor of Catholicism one can imagine there.

But with all of the orthodox and faith-filled parishes the Twin Cities abounds with, I wonder why groups such as Rainbow Sash, Catholic Pastoral Committee on Sexual Minorities (their site: mtn.org/cpcsm/ ) and Dignity seem so prevalent?

Take a look here , here , here and the rest

So why is it only a handful of lay groups such as Catholic Parents Online (their website: catholicparents.org/ ) , Ushers of the Eucharist and Rosary for Truth are directly opposing this obvious dissent?

Archbishop Flynn may be a great promoter of vocations and adoration chapels, which he is, but I have yet to see how well he is at defending the teachings of the Catholic faith when they are challenged. Denying communion to Rainbow Sashers at his Cathedral may be good, but him allowing a parish to go on its merry heterodox way in my humble opinion is not.

I will be away for a couple days, so I won’t be able to respond immediately. But take care, and God bless…

Maybe he recognizes that these ill-formed issues were developed over years due to failings of the heirarchy and the faithful and they will take years to correct as it requires a change of heart among the faithful. So, to “attack” it he decided on a strategy that centered on catechesis combined with prayer, penance and fasting rather than issuing executive fiat declarations from on high.

 

[Catholic29]

BobR:

I just don’t get it. You seem to be saying that everything bad in the archdiocese is Archbishop Flynn’s fault, but that he should get no credit for anything good.

The photos you linked to were a pro-gay-marriage protest. They are protesting the Church’s stand against gay marriage (so called) as taught by our bishop. In other words: gay folks here don’t like what the bishop says.

You link to the misleadingly-named “Catholic Pastoral Committee” as evidence of the bishop’s failure, but they are, by their own words, “a grassroots, self-supporting, and independent coalition”: he’s not responsible for their actions.

I’m not happy with St. Joan’s, but I trust that the bishop’s choice of pastor is part of a plan to slowly lead the St. Joan’s parishoners back to the fold. Isn’t that what shepherds are supposed to do?

Regarding the “Ushers of the Eucharist”, their actions during Mass created a spectacle and thier founder (spokesman?), David Pence is now once again attacking the Church by threatening to libel priests that he claims to have secret knowledge of. He’s doing this through an organization he named after the victim of a tragic murder (allegedly by a priest). The name was used without permission of the victim’s family and Pence’s actions caused them additional suffering.

St. Joan’s may pain faithful Catholics, but people like Pence subject the Church to public ridicule. He’s doing this at a time when the bishop is leading the fight for a pro-marriage (real marriage, that is) ammendment. Pence undermines the pro-marriage cause undermining the bishop.

I am in no way implying Archbishop Flynn is responsible for this dissent, on the contrary the recent steps he has begun to take in regard to Rainbow Sash and advocation of the marriage ammendment are nothing less than commendable. Albeit at the behest of Cardinal Arinze at the Vatican in the case of his denying communion to Rainbow Sash protesters at the St. Paul Cathedral.

Much to Flynn’s credit, it by all appearances seems to be his own initiative, along with the other MN bishops, with his support of the marriage ammendent. Though it would be nice to see him begin a similar campaign within the parishes of the Archdiocese, in promoting what our faith has always taught in that marriage between two of the same gender is not part of God’s plan as revealed within the texts of Sacred Sripture and Tradition.

I never intended this to be a “lets bash Archbishop Harry Flynn thread”. But if he only taught with greater clarity what the Church teaches, I wouldn’t be so critical of him, but his position on homosexuality has been until very recently for the most part mute since his installation in succession of Archbishop John Roach (May God rest his soul) in 96.

However since I’m not my own Magisterium, as the people at St. Joan’s and Rainbow Sash seem to be, I will let the Catechism do the talking:
Catechism of the Catholic Church:

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Link…

 

[Catholic29]

Orionthehunter:

Maybe he recognizes that these ill-formed issues were developed over years due to failings of the heirarchy and the faithful and they will take years to correct as it requires a change of heart among the faithful. So, to “attack” it he decided on a strategy that centered on catechesis combined with prayer, penance and fasting rather than issuing executive fiat declarations from on high.

That is if that strategy has been implemented.

So far I have seen no evidence Archbishop Flynn has began any new program of catechesis (or of prayer, penace or fasting), to counter the error that an active homosexual lifestyle is incompatible with the Catholic faith. Though for the sake of many souls, I hope that he has…

 

[Orionthehunter]

Catholic29:

That is if that strategy has been implemented.

So far I have seen no evidence Archbishop Flynn has began any new program of catechesis (or of prayer, penace or fasting), to counter the error that an active homosexual lifestyle is incompatible with the Catholic faith. Though for the sake of many souls, I hope that he has…

You have 38 perpetual adoration chapels in the MPLS metro area as noted in the post by BobR, 15 ordinations last year. It isn’t the power of the arguments or the initiatives undertaken that will have the ultimate effect. It is the power of the Holy Spirit.

My point and I think the point that others are making is that the laity has to become more holy through prayer, penance and fasting with regard to our own sin. And from that, we will become positive instruments of holiness to assist the Holy Spirit in the conversion of other souls.

 

[Catholic29]

Orionthehunter:

You have 38 perpetual adoration chapels in the MPLS metro area as noted in the post by BobR, 15 ordinations last year. It isn’t the power of the arguments or the initiatives undertaken that will have the ultimate effect. It is the power of the Holy Spirit.

My point and I think the point that others are making is that the laity has to become more holy through prayer, penance and fasting with regard to our own sin. And from that, we will become positive instruments of holiness to assist the Holy Spirit in the conversion of other souls.

Then lets pray those 38 perpetual adoration chapels are doing their thing.

I just hope the prayer intentions being offered up in them have something to do with the conversion from error of “Catholics” who promote homosexual activism in the Church.

 

[Orionthehunter]

Catholic29:

Then lets pray those 38 perpetual adoration chapels are doing their thing.

I just hope the prayer intentions being offered up in them have something to do with the conversion from error of “Catholics” who promote homosexual activism in the Church.

We don’t have to pray for a particular outcome. If we just pray for more holiness in our lives, fast and do penance for our own failings, we will build up the Body of Christ. And when the Body is strong, the Holy Spirit has a vibrant vehicle to do His work.

I want to stress the point that some of us have tried to make. Because of my sin, I’m partly responsible for the errors of my fallen breathren. Even though I’ve never participated or advocated or endorsed a homosexual act in my life, it is my particular sin that weakens the Body. Your sin too. And in that weakness, the Devil has more opportunity. When we become more Holy, the Body is stronger.

 

[Crumpy]

Part of the discussion in this thread about the Catechism may be facilitated by looking at Card. Ratzinger’s essay on “The Doctrinal Relevance of the Catechism”, on the Vatican’s website at

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20021009_ratzinger-catechetical-congress_en.ht

I’ve just across this statement and I’m still pondering it. In general, the Pope is saying that the Catechism is here to stay. As he puts it at the very end of the document,

"Those who search for a new theological system in the Catechism, or for surprising new hypotheses, will be disappointed. This is not the concern of the Catechism. Drawing from Sacred Scripture and the complex richness of tradition in its many forms and inspired by the Second Vatican Council, it offers an organic vision of the entirety of the Catholic faith, which is beautiful in its entirety - with a beauty in which the splendour of the truth shines forth. The present relevance of the Catechism is the relevance of the truth formulated and thought afresh once again. This relevance will remain intact far beyond the murmurings of its critics. "

OK, so having noted this, I think the dissent in the Church is very widespread. On the recent EWTN specials about Pope JP II, there was some review of the internal dissent in the Church since Vatican II. Paul VI himself saw it immediately and commented that “the smoke of satan is in the Church” in view of the widespread errors in teaching and objections to traditional statements of Church teachings. JP II commenting on the dissent which he saw far and wide and going up even to the Curia in Rome, remarked that there was apparently an “anti-church” within the Church. He was confident that this was allowed by the will of God and that God would keep it under control.

I think the “anti-church” is very evident in my own diocese of Saginaw Michigan. And, much has been said about this diocese in these forums.

I have stopped going to Mass because there is too much anti-Church around. Our new bishop seems to be a good pastor and he is working on the front lines with those who represent the anti-Church point of view. He seems to be asserting the “church” point of view.

All I’d recommend is to pray and to speak out for the catechism plainly but charitably.

 

[Riley259]

Wow! I just read through the material from the link you posted. This church in Minn. really is in open dissent of the Magisterium in regards to the teaching on homosexuality. There was also another article from the link mocking the right-wing representatives at the signing of a bill banning partial birth abortion. This dissention is very sad and damaging to the church. Pray for this misguided people that they will come to know God’s truth.

 

[BobR]

Riley259:

Wow! I just read through the material from the link you posted. This church in Minn. really is in open dissent of the Magisterium in regards to the teaching on homosexuality.

Sigh. No, it’s not. There are problematic priests and parishes here, just like everywhere else. There will always and everywhere be something for the negative-minded to focus on.

I’ve lived here my entire life (50+ years) and I can very clearly see the genuine renaissance in the Faith that’s coincided with Archbishop Flynn’s tenure. No doubt many of the seeds were planted long before, during the leadership of many fine bishops and faithful priests.

Why are certain people so obsessed with this “homosexual Minnesota craziness”? Have you ever even been here? Have you talked to some of our young “JPII” priests? Have you been to our perpetual adoration chapels, or attended our Eucharistic congress? Did it ever occur to you that the archdiocese that contains St. Joan also contains St. Agnes?

Get a grip!

 

[Catholic29]

BobR:

Sigh. No, it’s not. There are problematic priests and parishes here, just like everywhere else. There will always and everywhere be something for the negative-minded to focus on.

I’ve lived here my entire life (50+ years) and I can very clearly see the genuine renaissance in the Faith that’s coincided with Archbishop Flynn’s tenure. No doubt many of the seeds were planted long before, during the leadership of many fine bishops and faithful priests.

Why are certain people so obsessed with this “homosexual Minnesota craziness”? Have you ever even been here? Have you talked to some of our young “JPII” priests? Have you been to our perpetual adoration chapels, or attended our Eucharistic congress? Did it ever occur to you that the archdiocese that contains St. Joan also contains St. Agnes?

Get a grip!

BobR, I believe Riley259 was referring specifically to St. Joan of Arc parish, when he said “This church in Minn. really is in open dissent of the Magisterium”. If that is the case, he would be correct.