The first American Pope

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TheAmazingGrace said:
Not counting on seeing an American Pope in my lifetime. World superpower and all that.
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A lot of the previous popes were from the Roman Empire, which was the world superpower of its time.

I don’t see it as an impediment.
 
Since the United States of America is the only country in the Americas with the name America, calling ourselves Americans is correct. Just as the people in Canada call themselves Canadians or people in Columbia call themselves Columbians. I know people in the other countries of the Americas think we have just taken over the word because of our “arrogance”, but what else are we to call ourselves when that is our name? I guess we could be the United Statesers…

Just my humble opinion on the subject, I don’t think there will ever be a pope from the USA.
 
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Lol. I’ll take the bet.

I’ll take the field. Given the number of dioceses in the United States, the territories, and the military ect… the odds of it being the Lincoln are pretty remote.

Would you like to bet an ice cream cone?

Personally, my guess is Cardinal Sean O’Malley. He is a dark horse, but so was Francis. O’Malley is a very likable person, and his manner brings people together.
 
tuscany said:
I know people in the other countries of the Americas think we have just taken over the word because of our “arrogance”, .

Just my humble opinion on the subject, I don’t think there will ever be a pope from the USA.
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Would you like to rethink the statement that People in the Americas think that the US took over the world because of its arrogance?

If they thought that, they wouldn’t want to come here. If they thought that, why wouldn’t they look at any totalitarian country? They are a lot more arrogant than any Democracy.
 
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Me as well, but considering that Sarah is quickly approaching the age limit for the conclave, and Francis is in stable health and shows no signs of abdication, the chances are slim
 
If by “white” you mean those of European descent, Argentina is more “white” than Canada or the US. They pride themselves in their European heritage. Pope Francis’ parents were immigrants from Italy to Argentina.
 
When people get to Francis’ age, anything can happen. He may live for 20 years or he could have a stroke and die tomorrow. He is 81.

I’d imagine if something happened to Francis, there is going to be a real philosophical battle. Of course, speculation is just speculation. Francis may well be 100 and still going. He shows no signs of slowing down.
 
Yes, but with every day that passes, it gets more and more likely that Sarah will not be in the post-Francis conclave.
 
The maximum age for a cardinal to be among the electors (and therefore, within reason, a papabile) is 80.
Sarah is 72
Francis is 81

So, unless Francis dies in the next 8ish years, Sarah essentially is out of the running.
 
No, I would not like to rethink something I never said.

YOU said, “People in the Americas think that the US took over the world because of it’s arrogance”. I never said that.
 
Maximilian75 said:
The maximum age for a cardinal to be among the electors (and therefore, within reason, a papabile) is 80.
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That is a rule which is subject to change, of course.

Since Francis is already over 80, if he’s feeling fine he may raise the age to 90 or lift it entirely.
 
That’s true.

However, the spirit of the rule has to be remembered- We need vital, relatively healthy papal canidates. While worldwide life expectancy is rising, the Holy See needs to be careful not to outpace it.
 
call it all you want but Popes are only European men, mostly Italian but not always. You will have some say Pope Francis is the first Argentian pope, but that isn’t technically true , he is European / Italian . Just like people who are born in America can be of a different national heritage from other countries same thing for Popes. oh an then mind you it is always Gods choice until people dont like who is elected pope then it becomes woo those cardinals sure did pick the wrong person.

political bs , but what ever none the less always pray for the pope who ever it is.

playing yay i hope my nation has a pope chosen one day is just stupid. But never say never, The USA has had its first ever biracial president so perhaps there is a chance that one day an American born /European decendandt / will be chosen, but even so, big deal.

Exactly what is the purpose of getting ones knickers in a twist on what country a pope is chosen from. all it does is cause resentment among others that once again someone from their nation was not chosen.

but yeah enjoy your claire voiant prediction of " you heard it here first by me "
 
I don’t think any knickers are twisted here… This is just a thread of friendly prediction and discourse…
 
Maximilian75 said:
We need vital, relatively healthy papal canidates. While worldwide life expectancy is rising, the Holy See needs to be careful not to outpace it.
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That’s why I think that Reinhard Marx is most likely to be the next pope. He is the most visible spokesperson for Pope Francis’s vision, and is young enough to get the job done. Since after the next consistory, a majority of the voting-age cardinals will have been appointed by Pope Francis, it is to be expected that they will select someone who will carry on with his reforms. I don’t see much in the way of nostalgia for the days of Pope Benedict, or much enthusiasm for candidates like Sarah.
 
Then again, on the flip side, while Francis himself has never preached anything heterodox, a lot of his speech has been wrongly interpereted as such (hell not being real, the trainwreck of Amoris Laetitia, ‘who am I to judge’ being interpereted as a change in doctrine, etc.) may sway the College of Cardinals towards a more conservative type.

All we can do is pray and know that God’s will be done.
 
I get the feeling that most of the cardinals appointed by Pope Francis are quite happy with the way he expresses himself, and have little stomach for returning to the “black-and-white” days of Pope Benedict. After all, God created the world in Technicolor, not black-and-white.
 
Just to clarify, I have no problems with any of Papa Francesco’s teachings.

I have a problem with the media portraying him as more of a ‘reformer’ (read:changer of doctrine) than he really is, and more conservative Catholic’s view of him.

I don’t want to ruin this thread with a debate over the issues I listed.
 
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