The first American Pope

  • Thread starter Thread starter Maximilian75
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
A whole lot of people. There’s no shortage of people who would bet on anything.
 
I only said he was more likely than Arinze or Sarah. Your observation doesn’t really change that.
 
I guess…

I’d like to see their methods for quantifying odds haha
 
Over in England, they bet on Presidential elections, the WWE, poetry prizes
 
Ordinarily, I would expect the vast majority of popes to be Italian.

The pope is the bishop of Rome, an Italian see.

Just like Pittsburgh is an American diocese, I would ordinarily expect most bishops serving here will be American.
 
The percentage of Italian cardinals is lower now than it has traditionally been in recent times and you do realize, that in spite of that fact, the last three Popes have been from Poland, Germany and Argentina, respectively, right?
[/quote]

You do realize that Jorge Mario Bergoglio has some Italian in him no? That his parents are Italian immigrants? That he speaks Italian fluently? I’ll share your happiness that there are less cardinals that are Italian. Even if there are still 4x the amount of cardinals from Italy then any other country.
 
Last edited:
phil19034 said:
But science has now proven that the English were right all along, as it is two separate contential plates.
Click to expand...
There is dispute even now about what does and does not constitute a continent (somewhat as there is disagreement about what is and is not a planet). But that is neither here nor there.
phil19034 said:
So technically Argentinians are not “Americans” because “America” isn’t the name of the content, it’s the name of the USA.
Click to expand...
The USA didn’t get to “technically” usurp the title of “American,” sorry. We can style ourselves any way we like, but we shouldn’t be surprised if someone else already using that title takes issue and does not give way no matter how long we insist.

So…we of course call ourselves Americans and Europeans might refer to us as Americans, but that does not mean that the citizens of other nations in the Americas are going to see it that way. They were using it first, so we aren’t entitled to have anyone give way.

I’d say that in the English-speaking world, a citizen of the United States could say “I’m an American” without giving any confusion, because to mean the continents collectively one would say, “I’m a citizen of the Americas.” In Spanish, however, “Soy americano” has the broader meaning, such that someone who’d call themselves an American in English would be taught to say, “soy estadounidense” in Spanish.

Back to the debate at hand–more than 40% of Roman Catholics live in Latin America. They would say that we currently HAVE an American Pope, whether speaking on the matter in English or in Spanish.

To the question at hand, by the way, less than 7% of Roman Catholics are from North America. Since we do not reside in the diocese of the Pope, we are not statistically likely to produce a Pope. Let us be blunt, too: we are not admired around the world as not being among the most thoroughly Roman Catholic societies on the planet nor for having Catholics who are clearly identifiable as such when under attack by the unchurched. We have a LOT of very famously Catholic and yet members who defiant of Rome, lukewarm in practice or both.
 
Last edited:
PetraG said:
To the question at hand, by the way, less than 7% of Roman Catholics are from North America. Since we do not reside in the diocese of the Pope, we are not statistically likely to produce a Pope. Let us be blunt, too: we are not admired around the world as not being among the most thoroughly Roman Catholic societies on the planet nor for having Catholics who are clearly identifiable as such when under attack by the unchurched. We have a LOT of very famously Catholic and yet members who defiant of Rome, lukewarm in practice or both.
Click to expand...
I agree with this. The United States is not a culturally Catholic nation, so the chances of us ever having a Pope is very slim.

However, I do think Bishop Barron would be electable if he ever became a Cardinal. I really don’t see any other bishops in the United States as truly being electable, except Cardinal O’Malley

https://cruxnow.com/news-analysis/2...the-center-right-candidate-for-the-next-pope/
 
While I would like it, it will never happen. Cardinal Sarah would be elected long before Cardinal Burke.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top