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mathonihah
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Already answered twice, and he didn’t take any notice. What guarantee do I have that it I answer it again (which I now have), he will?
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mathonihah
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Try this link.
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RebeccaJ
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Mormons and atheists see Bible contradictions the same way. Both don’t stop to wonder how it is the contradictions are there, as though they think the people who compiled both the OT and NT didn’t notice them. Don’t they think they should have been removed long, long, long ago? The question they never ask, or seek to understand, is why?
Hint for Mormons: The message is what was important to the Bible authors. If the message is contradictory, then there is something to discuss.
The message of Smith’s varying vision accounts, is contradictory. One God, two personages? All religions are corrupt? The message is not uniform.
Mormons also have trouble discerning what is figurative and what is literal. This is understandable, since they reject the authority that Christ gave to His Church, and rely on the personal interpretation of Joseph Smith…until it is shown that he made something up, then they just change the interpretation, as though the first interpretation was never given.
It is a religion of confusion.
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twopekinguys
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Why don’t you actually point something out instead of being lazy and showing google search results.
How lazy can you be?
ETA: You are the one who said there are “hundreds”, so, are we to assume you have actually researched it? Personally, I doubt that you have.
Share with us the results of your mighty, and lengthy research, and enlighten us
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RebeccaJ
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Obvious, there is no desire to dialogue. Here to bear his testimony is my guess.Why don’t you actually point something out instead of being lazy and showing google search results.
How lazy can you be?
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twopekinguys
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mathonihah
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Because I don’t consider them important, any more than I consider your claim of “contradictions” in the First Vision to be important. They both fall in the same category.Why don’t you actually point something out instead of being lazy and showing google search results.
How lazy can you be?
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RebeccaJ
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Too funny. :clapping:
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twopekinguys
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So, again, you are making assertions you cannot back up.
I will say one thing. At least you’re consistent. You make all sorts of claims, and haven’t been able to prove, or back one up.
Way to go!!!
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TexanKnight
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ok…looked at the first link. I saw no contradictions. I DID find it humorous that you relied on a Muslim site and an Atheist site. That gives us a clue on how you really believe.
Regardless, no real contradictions. One example was a verse where God was called a God of War and another verse where God was called the God of Peace. That is a contradiction? When I was in my military uniform, I suppose I could have been called a man of war…but when I was at home, I was a man of peace…contradiction? Not hardly.
The other alleged contradictions were different writers saying things. How is two people saying things meaning each one contradicts himself? That is a far cry from ONE MAN contradicting himself like Joe did.
Now, I too you do not have the courage to talk to me. You know you will never beat me in a debate. But, I had hoped you could do better than a page of google search When YOU asked for proof, I supplied something I wrote.
But, then, I am Catholic. No need to run. No need to hide. No need to be lazy or be afraid.
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TexanKnight
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only to the lazy and unlearned…
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RebeccaJ
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But seriously, you should find them important enough to understand why they are there. If not, when your Mormon house of cards falls, you’ll be making the same arguments but without your “I Believe” mantra intact. It pains me to see so many former LDS go atheist.
It is OK to seek to understand EVERYTHING in the Bible, including the contradictions.
A story about Abraham would be repeated of Isaac; Goliath’s death could be attributed to two different people; the cleansing of the Temple could be situated either at the beginning or at the end of Jesus’ public career.
In Catholicism, and for mainline Protestants as well, we understand the meaning of events was more important than accurately recording them. As long as the main story line was clear, names and facts might be added or omitted here and there. This different concept of historical writing has caused modern readers to raise problems where the biblical authors saw none.
Where I see this cannot be applied to Smith’s visions, is that the LDS church presents his vision as a singular historical event with a singular message. But there is no singular message in the nine recountings. Is God “the Lord”, or is God, “two personages”? Should Smith view all religion as corrupt, or not?
Same for the Book of Mormon, it is presented as historical, though as evidence piles against its historical claims, the LDS church has been backing off on this claim. They haven’t gone quite as far as some of the Mormon churches, who have made the BoM allegory entirely.
There are other problems with “restoration”, but I think we risk a dog pile, which is never productive. Even when it is fun.
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mathonihah
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Good, I am glad you found my post amusing. That was the least I could do.
BTW, do us a favor and tell pablope that his question has been answered again for the THIRD time. Hope that is going to be enough. LOL!
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Nicea325
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So the Jews were eating symbols and not actual tangible foods (Sacrificed lamb, wine, bitter herbs,etc)? Ah no! You are dead wrong! So if I consume symbols of carrots my eye site will improve by eating mere symbols?
Why would God tell the Jews to consume a tangible sacrificed lamb and yet send His Son the Lamb of God, who was sacrificed at Calvary (Flesh,Blood,Soul,Divinity) and teach His Son to the disciples He is merely a symbolic Lamb? The perfect Lamb who fulfilled the Seder/Passover Lamb? Now where do you get such absurd ideas and beliefs? Mormonism is clueless about the Seder Meal.
BTW: Was Jesus death on the cross symbolic or literal ?
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mathonihah
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Dead wrong! They were eating real lamb, real wine, real herbs etc.; but the real lamb, the real wine, the real herbs etc. were symbolic of the the sacrificial offering of Christ—in the same way that the real bread and real wine of the Eucharist are symbolic of the sacrificial offering of Christ.
Frankly, your posts are so nonsensical that they are not worth replying to, so do me a favor and spare me the trouble.
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TexanKnight
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ok…looked at the first link. I saw no contradictions. I DID find it humorous that you relied on a Muslim site and an Atheist site. That gives us a clue on how you really believe.
Regardless, no real contradictions. One example was a verse where God was called a God of War and another verse where God was called the God of Peace. That is a contradiction? When I was in my military uniform, I suppose I could have been called a man of war…but when I was at home, I was a man of peace…contradiction? Not hardly.
The other alleged contradictions were different writers saying things. How is two people saying things meaning each one contradicts himself? That is a far cry from ONE MAN contradicting himself like Joe did.
Now, I too you do not have the courage to talk to me. You know you will never beat me in a debate. But, I had hoped you could do better than a page of google search When YOU asked for proof, I supplied something I wrote.
But, then, I am Catholic. No need to run. No need to hide. No need to be lazy or be afraid.
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Math -
Do you believe that Jesus taught the 12 apostles, whom Jesus was with for 3 years, without error on faith and morals?
And assuming yes, do you believe that the apostles taught their disciples / descendents without error…that they faithfully passed on the Gospel as Christ himself taught them ? In other words, if we could have sat down with the 12 apostles, that they would have taught us what Jesus taught them (for 3 years)?
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pablope
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Hmm…so you believe as the atheists do? as the Muslims do?
I was expecting something from the LDS…not something you picked up on the web…this seems like…you had nothing and you pick randomly…what does that tell us?
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pablope
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Huh…
That was Nicea’s question…not mine. But thanks for providing the links to your replies.
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TexanKnight
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If Joe had been as scared as Math, he woulda tried to run away from Nauvoo…
Oh wait, he did. His followers called him a coward
Oh wait, he did. His followers called him a coward
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