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wow if thats not solid proof of false prophet, I dont know what is.
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mathonihah
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Why do you keep asking a question which I have already answered? Is one answer not good enough for you?
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mathonihah
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The fact remains that there are hundreds of contradictions in the Bible; or at least, some people think there are. I am not saying that all of them are valid, or even that any of them are valid. The same with the First Vision. The antis try to blow them out of all proportion and make out as if they are; but we donāt agree.
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TexanKnight
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Prove itā¦
and again, your silly, pathetic attempts to compare a book written by many men over thousands of years in a different languages over 2000 years ago to a man speaking in English less than 200 years ago are truly laughable.
Joe, as I have shown had many conflicting versions of his alleged vision. You canāt escape that or get away from it.
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Porknpie
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Right! The Lord was not an Angel, The Lord was not Two Personages, The Lord was Not an Angel and Two Personages.
Tex, did anyone else at the time of JS disbelieve him as well?
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RebeccaJ
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Post one and weāll discuss how it compares to your first vision.
Iām not anti Mormon. Iām pro truth. But nice attempt at poisoning the well.
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TexanKnight
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According to reports, yes.
The problem was (and something Mormons like Math are afraid to address) Joe was not the only person claiming divine visitations. He was just one of manyā¦and a good enough con man to be the only one to benefit from it
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TexanKnight
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Yesā¦I am not an anti eitherā¦far from it. But, when he canāt defend his belief, he has to paint as antis.
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RebeccaJ
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When you post your example, how about we start with a historical and literary criticism? If you think that agreeable, your thoughts on both would be a good place to start.
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RebeccaJ
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I think it is a conditioned response.
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Miriam1947
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The same youtube channel that had the book of Abraham also had a video by Lee Baker about Mormonism and his journey out of it.
I just bought this book for my Kindle:
Mormonism: A Life Under False Pretenses
Baker, Lee B.
After three decades of exceptional service in many leadership positions within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Bishop Lee B. Baker found the time to actually study the official history and the core doctrines of the church. After two years of intense religious study from official church records, which centered on the early years of the Mormon Church, several hypocritical teachings became impossible to dismiss. He sincerely asked his local, regional, and then finally the national leadership of the Mormon Church for some clarification specific to the practices of polygamy, polyandry, and blood atonement among the early āsaints.ā
He was told that many of these questions were in direct violation of church policy, procedures, and covenants. And even though he was an ordained Bishop, he was clearly warned that any further inquiries concerning these subjects would place his membership in the Mormon Church at risk. In December of 2008, Bishop Baker forced his own excommunication from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by continuing to ask piercing questions about the personal character and motives of both the past and present leadership of that church.
Only a few months prior to his excommunication, several of the High Priests who conducted this mockery of a just trial had great confidence in Bishop Baker as the Sunday school teacher of their own sons and daughters. Bishop Baker participated in hundreds of Mormon temple ceremonies, some of which included the precise method of simulating the taking of a human life if particular sacred Mormon covenants were violated. His firsthand experiences and insight into the authentic teachings, policies, and practices of Mormonism provide a unique view of one of the worldās fastest growing religions, which he demonstrates to be āa life under false pretenses.ā
Explicit details, including the actual names, dates, and statements of the leadership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints shape the foundation for this incredible true story of religious deceit and deception from 1830 to the present.
As a highly decorated retired army officer, Mr. Baker held positions of trust and responsibly within the Department of Defense for nearly thirty-five years.
I just bought this book for my Kindle:
Mormonism: A Life Under False Pretenses
Baker, Lee B.
After three decades of exceptional service in many leadership positions within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Bishop Lee B. Baker found the time to actually study the official history and the core doctrines of the church. After two years of intense religious study from official church records, which centered on the early years of the Mormon Church, several hypocritical teachings became impossible to dismiss. He sincerely asked his local, regional, and then finally the national leadership of the Mormon Church for some clarification specific to the practices of polygamy, polyandry, and blood atonement among the early āsaints.ā
He was told that many of these questions were in direct violation of church policy, procedures, and covenants. And even though he was an ordained Bishop, he was clearly warned that any further inquiries concerning these subjects would place his membership in the Mormon Church at risk. In December of 2008, Bishop Baker forced his own excommunication from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by continuing to ask piercing questions about the personal character and motives of both the past and present leadership of that church.
Only a few months prior to his excommunication, several of the High Priests who conducted this mockery of a just trial had great confidence in Bishop Baker as the Sunday school teacher of their own sons and daughters. Bishop Baker participated in hundreds of Mormon temple ceremonies, some of which included the precise method of simulating the taking of a human life if particular sacred Mormon covenants were violated. His firsthand experiences and insight into the authentic teachings, policies, and practices of Mormonism provide a unique view of one of the worldās fastest growing religions, which he demonstrates to be āa life under false pretenses.ā
Explicit details, including the actual names, dates, and statements of the leadership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints shape the foundation for this incredible true story of religious deceit and deception from 1830 to the present.
As a highly decorated retired army officer, Mr. Baker held positions of trust and responsibly within the Department of Defense for nearly thirty-five years.
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SteveVH
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Miriam, thanks for posting this.
mathonihah, would you be kind enough to take a few moments out of your day and watch this video. Last time it was posted I donāt think we had a single response from a Mormon. I would be very interested on your take.
Thanks.
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pablope
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Where is the answer or post number you replied to?
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Nicea325
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pablope
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Would Ellen G White be one of them?
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pablope
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There you go, wanting facts and references.
Are you new here?
I do not trust feelings aloneā¦I do not want to get deceivedā¦
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TexanKnight
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In 1816, a man named Solomon Chamberlain had his own āvisionā. He published his vision in a pamphlet in 1829. He lived about 20 miles from Palmayra and actually visited Joseph Smith in 1829.
Chamberlainās published version (which was published prior to Josephās) read like this:
āThe Lord showed me in a vision that there was no people on the earth that was right, and that faith was gone from the earth, excepting a few and that all churches were corrupt.ā
Being published priuor to Joeās version, this certainly raises the spector that, as Joe did with the Book of Mormon and the temple ceremonies, Joe just lifted this vision to make his own 3 years later.
Of course, I am not suggesting that Joe only used Chamberlain. There was apparently a rash of āvisionsā in the Palmyra area prior to Joe deciding to jump on the bandwagon in 1932ā¦
1816- Elias Smith- Vermont- had a vision in the woods when he was 16. A light appeared from heavenā¦
1823- Asa Wild- as printed in the Palmyraās āWayne Sentinalā Wild wrote his "mind was struck motionless, was told by God that all denominations were corrupt.
1824- Alexander Campbell- had a vision where he was told his sins were forgivem.
1826- John Thompson, a teacher at Palmyra Academy- Jesus descended from the sky
1830- Stephen Bradley- was 14 (sound familiar?) when HE was visited by Jesus
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So if the bible has hundreds of contradictions in it why did your prophet (smith) use the KJB and why is it still being used by you mormons today? Please show proof of your claims Math or quit making yourself look foolish with such obsurd claims.
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