This is referring to cloistered women who had to serve as sacristans because no men were permitted into the enclosures except the priest for Mass.
Do you know what the terms “matter” and “form” refer to in the confecting of sacraments?
Do you attach emotions to that statement? It sounds quite matter of fact to me.
In terms of being ordained to the priesthood, then yes.
…for the sacrament of Holy Orders.
That was my first thought; this makes no sense at all. God does not need guidance. How strange.
So if a women feels called to the preisthood she is delusional, is that what you are saying?
No. Simply misinterpreting the call, as many men do.
I don’t see where it says anything about wearing gloves to do so.
In the sacrament of orders, the hands of the priest are anointed with oil because he is given the power to confect the sacrament.
That’s how it works. The idea that men and women are the same is extremely modern; but the Churcb is timeless.
As Wesrock said, no, only misinterpreting her call. If I, as a man, feel called to be a religious sister, am I properly discerning my vocation?
Because, at the time, only those in the clerical state were allowed to do so. (I can’t remember which orders in the clerical state were permitted to handle the sacred vessels. Acolyte, sub-deacon, deacon, priest?) Keep in mind that entry into the clerical state, back then, occurred with tonsure – today, it occurs with ordination to the diaconate.
Actually, consecrated religious (both men (monks) and women (nuns)) are, in fact, members of the laity.
No – it’s not that they are less than a priest, but rather, simply, not a priest.
Literally? Umm…
Men and women certainly share human nature; but a man doesn’t have a share in femaleness, nor a woman a share in maleness…
In one of the creation stories. In the other (Gen 1:27), “male and female [God] created them.”
Nuns make a solemn vow, I think that makes them a little different from the average lay person.
So do monks in religious orders. But they are not priests or ordained either.
The question wasn’t about the priests hands being anointed with oil, it was why nuns even by taking a solemn vow had to wear gloves to touch the vessels.
Yet they are still lay (non ordained)
Are you serious? That website that you list is maintained by the Wijngaards Institute for Catholic Research. They push for among other things the reversal of Church teachings on contraception and homosexuality. I’m quite sure then that they’ll be most unbiased in their presentation for the cause of women priests…no animosity there!
How many threads does this make for you now simpleas that you’ve started on this subject? Seems to be borderline obsession.The point being no woman can ever be as near to ordination or be ordained as a man can.