The Generational Divide

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I don’t know if we can actually tell is millennials actually do like the EF more than the OF at this point. As some have pointed out, there just isn’t as many Latin Masses around. In my diocese which encompasses a whole Southern state, there is one FSSP parish, one parish that says it once a month and another that says a weekday Low Mass. I don’t know about you, but I don’t think you can get much a test case as to whether a chunk of the population likes a Mass that is said so infrequently.

However, I think where many people get the idea that millennials love the Latin Mass is from all the dadgum kids the Latin Mass folks are having. Walk into a Latin Mass and you get inundated with kids. That doesn’t always happen in the OF. But it happens at almost every single EF Church you go to. That might be where the “millennial” idea is coming from.
 
It’s not that we’re “weirded out” by the actual practice. It bugs me zero minus zero that people like TLM. Let them have at it, great.

I think that 95% of the people here–and most places–carry little to no malice towards the TLM service but what they dislike is the attitude of TLM attendants which many times come off exactly as the Vegan in the video I posted.
 
No one compared traditionalists to LAR’pers, Dappers, Ren Fair or any other play-acting. What was being said was that TLM had the propensity to entrall the type of people who were attracted to that sort of special fan fare. And its absolutely true. There is a certain draw of the TLM today because it’s exotic. If it were commonplace you wouldn’t see some of the crowd drawn to it.
 
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EC and EO churches really aren’t rare at all.

At my previous residence, I lived less than 500 feet from 2 different EO churches, and the next 2 closest churches were Byzantine Catholic and Ukrainian Baptist.

It all depends on where you are at.
 
I dont know why you are “confessing” to me. I am not telling you how to dress or not to smoke a pipe. No judgment here.
 
Not really, because it’s always been the norm for them. What’s the fun in that?

The fact that young people aren’t going in the same number almost proves the point that TLM is attracting based on the “rebellion” factor.
 
A previous poster comparing veiling to “play-church” and “silly cosplay.”
 
YoungApologist3 said:
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OraLabora:
Until Trent, if you worshipped in England you used the Sarum Rite, in France, the Gallican Rite, in Rome, the Old Roman Rite, in Milan, the Ambrosian Rite, in Spain, the Mozarabic Rite, in Portugal the Braga Rite, to name the main ones and there were many other regional rites.
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Did these not all follow the same basic rubrics? My impression is that these separate rites are akin to the separate rites in the East today. i.e. Ukrainian, Russian, Greek, etc. They are all per se separate rites (in reality separate “churches,” little “c”), but they are all very, very similar.
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The liturgies that you mentioned are all of the same Rite - Byzantine.
 
babochka said:
The liturgies that you mentioned are all of the same Rite - Byzantine.
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Thank you. I am aware of that now. Are there truly no differences between the liturgies of each of these churches?
 
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gcshapero:
It can be cringey when people see it as such.
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Another thing that makes me cringe a little is when converts go in for the TLM.
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Why, because you don’t like it? For me, it is not my first cup of tea, sure, but I stand wholeheartedly behind those who attend it and spread it. This Mass does encourage many things which Vatican II asked us to retain, including Gregorian chant in the Roman rite.

(And for the record, I have been Catholic all my life.)
 
Again, the alternative lifestyle (traditional catholicism) is very appealing. For young religious people, the world is very confusing because their peers are radically liberal. It makes sense for a lot of them to prefer a very different way of worshipping.

Also, they could very well be in the minority, since it’s not like youths who are not traditional will spend their time on social media talking about their moderate opinions.

Anyway, I think the older people are a bit unsure because they could be the ones who lived it? I know many old women here don’t like veiling at all because they remember being forced to wear it or the sexism they experienced during that time So it leaves a sour taste in their mouths.

Others could dislike it because of these youths’ attitude. Anyone remember the woman here that now runs a Traditional Catholic Femininity blog? She basically trashed the NO mass and more modern views about the religion. People like that are pretty common in the traditional sphere so I guess again, it leaves a sour taste in people’s mouths.

Personally I don’t care much, unless you’re one of those people I mentioned above. Most people my age are flocking to Protestant churches here so actually modern Catholicism is more attractive to them. Over here, TLM are frequented by older people
 
That’s true. But in this context, they’re the ones who would twist Church teachings and tell them to more modern Catholics (that say, wearing pants is a sin). While there are a lot of unpleasant modern Catholics, it’s not like they are telling trad cats they are sinning? If that makes sense? It’s more of general smugness/condescension, which is present everywhere.
 
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The liturgies that you mentioned are all of the same Rite - Byzantine.
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Thank you. I am aware of that now. Are there truly no differences between the liturgies of each of these churches?
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No, there are many small differences. The Divine Liturgy has never been celebrated with absolute uniformity and is not as tightly regulated as the Latin Rite. The variations are relatively minor and sometimes vary as much from parish to parish as from Church to Church. For example, in some traditions, the priest might make a prostration after the epiclesis, in others, the priest makes a metania (deep bow). These tend to follow along cultural lines, with the Slavic churches having practices similar to each other, but you might see something different among Italo-Albanian churches and Melkite.

The Eastern code of canon law defines a Rite as follows:

Canon 28 - §1. A rite is the liturgical, theological, spiritual and disciplinary patrimony, culture and circumstances of history of a distinct people, by which its own manner of living the faith is manifested in each Church sui iuris.
§2. The rites treated in this code, unless otherwise stated, are those which arise from the Alexandrian, Antiochene, Armenian, Chaldean and Constantinopolitan traditions.
 
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No, there are many small differences.
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OK, that’s what I thought. I was referring to those many small differences. I think that the difference between a “Rite” and a “church” is pretty fluid, and that “Rite” when referring to the old Western Rites and “church” when referring to the churches of the Byzantine Rite are pretty much synonymous.
 
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He began to criticize my mother and I for not wearing skirts and dresses more often and for not veiling ourselves
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My mother would have not put with that for a second. Busting your sibling’s chops is one thing, but your mum? Not very traditional.
 
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My personal theory is the millenials you speak of (which i dont think are the majority) prefer the EF because they view it as retro-chic.

Yes, I think it’s viewed as retro-chic and the young people are longing for something that never was. Do they really want to go back in time? Back to when you couldn’t have even a sip of water, even to take medicine, after midnight lest you break your fast and have to skip Communion? By the time the later Masses were said on Sunday morning at 10AM, 11AM, Noon, whatever…practically no-one took Communion because no-one would fast that long, especially those who’d worked the night shift in a hospital or the local mill or those who’d been up before dawn to milk the cows. No thank you!
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I don’t personally know any TLM attendees who tell the OF crowd that they’re sinning, and in fact most attend the OF on occasion as well. I’m sure that there are some in the traditional crowd who have this negative attitude, even within the Church, but the majority of the negativity comes from those outside the Church, such as the SSPV and other sedevacantist groups. On the flip side, I do know Catholics of the more “modern” variety who repeatedly condemn traditionalists as bigots at worst or backwards inbred freaks at best. “General smugness/condescension” doesn’t quite cover it.
 
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