The GOP's Third Party Option

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I think Bill should order his first-lady inaugural gown soon, as HRC’s opponents are destroying themselves for her…

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GEddie said:
I think Bill should order his first-lady inaugural gown soon, as HRC’s opponents are destroying themselves for her…

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Well, DJT’s supporters are certainly hell-bent on him getting the Republican nomination; but I wouldn’t call that “destroying themselves for her” if they sincerely think he can best her in the general election.
 
Peter_J said:
You’re welcome. I didn’t completely read what you linked to, but I guessed that it was an opinion piece rather than a news article per se.

This is strictly my opinion that others are free to take or leave, but I rather like the threads we have currently. (See what I said 2 weeks ago:

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Greatly appreciated! The 3rd party option had just suddenly popped up as very feasible. I myself don’t think that it is. I don’t really see the sense in it. The best shot for Republicans to overtake Trump is Cruz - put all your weight behind Cruz is a stronger play than some candidate plucked from the Establishment Ethers.
 
GEddie said:
Methinks it’s time for the GOP to take a header into the historical record.

They haven’t had an A team since 1984 (a generation ago!) and have lost all the larger states except TX. Their message increasingly attracts mostly blowhards like Trump.

While the country seems to be solidly bipartisan, parties have died and been born in its history, the last being the Whigs in 1852. Maybe after this cycle it will happen again.

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I agree that the GOP has effectively collapsed at the national level. They are about to nominate someone for president who is not even a member of their party. They can’t seem to articulate an actual strategy on any important issue. They ran their own majority leader and their own speaker out of town. They can’t seem to pass legislation despite holding both houses of congress. It may be time to pack it in and try to start over with a new party.
 
I was talking to someone earlier at work who brought up something I had never thought of, Im kinda wondering about it now…

Maybe Hillarys people wanted her in office so bad, they got together with Trump long ago and got him to agree to enter the race, all done as a ruse to ensure Hillary wins the office.

But since Trump has been #1 since almost day one, no one knows what to do at this point, plan backfired??
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
Well, if the candidates are Trump and Hillary, I won’t vote for either.

I might write someone in.

And I might go back to being an independent.
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From a conservative, or even a Christian point of view, I personally don’t see a whole lot of difference between voting for Hillary or for Trump.

There is not a lot of difference between the two.
 
dmar198 said:
I’ve often wondered about this type of argument, which I’ve seen before. It seems incompatible with logic to me. Can’t you oppose both candidates?
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Third parties in the USA have done one thing: help get the person one really doesn’t elected.
 
SuperLuigi said:
I’m wondering if this is the only way Hillary Clinton can win since the Democratic Party has been a colossal disappointment.
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I’m sorry you have found the party to be disappointing. We have all had to live with leaders who failed to inspire us or our particular views. Ah, Democracy - you can be hard on a person!
 
Little_Sheep said:
I’m sorry you have found the party to be disappointing. We have all had to live with leaders who failed to inspire us or our particular views. Ah, Democracy - you can be hard on a person!
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  1. We aren’t a democracy.
2). The only thing harder than self-governance is the alternative.

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Darryl1958 said:
From a conservative, or even a Christian point of view, I personally don’t see a whole lot of difference between voting for Hillary or for Trump.

There is not a lot of difference between the two.
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Believe me, there is.

If a republican were elected, the base and other GOP elected officials would be able to pressure that individual a lot more than they would someone in a liberal party.

Also, even if republicans are anti-marriage or anti-life, they tend not to force the issue, but will have such a public position for electability reasons.

Furthermore, many social and fiscal liberal groups do not support republican politicians regardless of their stances, but many more conservative groups do.

When one factors all of these in, the difference becomes quite clear for candidates who look the same, and I will say it’s useful for those who vote outside of the USA in countries with more secular political parties.

But really, I think they idea of “they’re all the same” has been floating around for several election cycles and it’s primarily designed more for common sense voters to either stay at home, or at worse, use that as a lame excuse to vote for the more anti-Catholic representative.
 
Darryl1958 said:
From a conservative, or even a Christian point of view, I personally don’t see a whole lot of difference between voting for Hillary or for Trump.

There is not a lot of difference between the two.
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I think the biggest difference is that we know what we are getting with HRC - we have decades of real political information upon which to base our choice of her. With Trump, we don’t have that and he sure does say something different every time I turn around, so it’s genuinely hard to know, you know?

But if you are hinting that both Hillary and Trump are progressive, I won’t argue that. On this year’s ticket, we will get to choose b/w two liberal New Yorkers. Fascinating!
 
I have been considering moving to an independent party since Donald Trump looks like he will be the Republican Party’s nominee. I will not vote for him.
 
GEddie said:
  1. We aren’t a democracy.
2). The only thing harder than self-governance is the alternative.

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  1. Fair enough, a Republic. I stand (slightly) corrected.
  2. I’m an anarchist at heart, but I don’t see anyone taking up that cause on my behalf any time soon, and I just don’t have time for public life! 😃
 
SuperLuigi said:
I’m wondering if this is the only way Hillary Clinton can win since the Democratic Party has been a colossal disappointment.
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To whom?

The fringes (LGBT, green movement, etc) have mostly got what they wanted, while those nearer the center probably aren’t seeing much difference between the two sides.

A strong A-team GOP candidate might have given HRC a challenge. But such a person is not to be found in this country since 1984.

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mikekle said:
I was talking to someone earlier at work who brought up something I had never thought of, Im kinda wondering about it now…

Maybe Hillarys people wanted her in office so bad, they got together with Trump long ago and got him to agree to enter the race, all done as a ruse to ensure Hillary wins the office.

But since Trump has been #1 since almost day one, no one knows what to do at this point, plan backfired??
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I’ve heard that conspiracy theory since Trump started really taking off, but I don’t buy it. Hillary does’t need anyone but the American voters and lots of real work on the ground to help her become the next President. The Republicans have been scared of her for quite a long time now.
 
GEddie said:
To whom?

The fringes (LGBT, green movement, etc) have mostly got what they wanted, while those nearer the center probably aren’t seeing much difference between the two sides.

A strong A-team GOP candidate might have given HRC a challenge. But such a person is not to be found in this country since 1984.

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I agree with this opinion 100%. It really might be best for this country (though painful for the party) for the Republicans to split into two distinct parties.
 
Little_Sheep said:
  1. Fair enough, a Republic. I stand (slightly) corrected.
  2. I’m an anarchist at heart, but I don’t see anyone taking up that cause on my behalf any time soon, and I just don’t have time for public life! 😃
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Re your point 2.

Most people still think anarchism is about blowing people up. Only when that changes will that snowball ever move.

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