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Milliardo
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I don’t think they’ll ever come out to say so. Mainline Protestantism will be destroyed as well if they try to say the Church became apostate before the First Council of Nicaea (or at least before Constantine’s time). Come to think of it, Protestants who try and say the Church became apostate at the time said would have to admit that their views are heretical as well, as Protestantism has accepted many teachings of the early Church (this is why Mormons have taken the stance that all of Christianity save them are apostate; to say that such and such denomination is a continuation of the early Church would be hard to make a claim, thus the Mormon position).
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jack_johns
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the apostasy was profesied about i believe in peter i would have to look it up. but to say that one never happened is naive. What truths had been lost because of apostasy?
- Laying on of Hands
- Priesthood authority
- A correct baptism by immersion being born again ( “and Jesus came Striaght forth out of the water”). by one who has authority to baptize. Jesus went to find John the Baptist because he had the authority to baptize.
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jack johns:
Laying on of hands is still practiced and is part of the Catholic Church’s ordination.
Priesthood authority is still with us in the Catholic Church.
There is ample evidence that Baptism was not always by immersion.
I suggest that you do look it up in your Bible.
I suggest that you provide historically verifiable evidence that this alleged great apostasy did in fact occur. I submit that you cannot provide said evidence ffrom verifiable and inbiased sources.
jack johns (as in jack mormon? just wondering?)
Laying on of hands is still practiced and is part of the Catholic Church’s ordination.
Priesthood authority is still with us in the Catholic Church.
There is ample evidence that Baptism was not always by immersion.
I suggest that you do look it up in your Bible.
I suggest that you provide historically verifiable evidence that this alleged great apostasy did in fact occur. I submit that you cannot provide said evidence ffrom verifiable and inbiased sources.
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BlackKnight
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Yeah… I can’t find anything in church history at all that indicates any of these things are true. I think that Jesus kept his promise and the gates of hell have not (and will not prevail) preveiled against us.
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stargazer257
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I vote FICTION!
History is silent on the “Great Apostasy” because it did not occur. If it did, it would have been recorded. Other heresies are well documented, Aryanism, Orthodoxy, Protestantism; but there is no written history of the Church falling into complete corruption. If it did, there would be a record of it. The Church had plenty of enemies in the early days; pagan groups, the Roman Empire, etc. would have loved it if the church became corrupt after the death of the last Apostle. They would have EXPLOITED an apostasy with voracious enthusiasm had it occurred. But because it didn’t, there is no record.
Now I get to share: I have been meeting with some nice Mormon gentlemen that first showed up at my door on Good Friday. After an hour-plus of discussion, we set up another meeting. That turned out to be Saturday afternoon (Apr. 2), just hours after our Holy Father went on to his reward. I had done a bit of preparing for our meeting but was I really messed up emotionally and I wasn’t sure if I had the energy to defend my faith at that moment. With some prayer, I knew I had to right the ship and push on in the spirit of John Paul II. We had a great discussion, with our main focus on the “Great Apostasy.” They couldn’t defend their position; and I could mine. I knew I wasn’t alone. The Holy Spirit works wonders (as does the truth).
God Bless (and keep planting those seeds!)
SG257
History is silent on the “Great Apostasy” because it did not occur. If it did, it would have been recorded. Other heresies are well documented, Aryanism, Orthodoxy, Protestantism; but there is no written history of the Church falling into complete corruption. If it did, there would be a record of it. The Church had plenty of enemies in the early days; pagan groups, the Roman Empire, etc. would have loved it if the church became corrupt after the death of the last Apostle. They would have EXPLOITED an apostasy with voracious enthusiasm had it occurred. But because it didn’t, there is no record.
Now I get to share: I have been meeting with some nice Mormon gentlemen that first showed up at my door on Good Friday. After an hour-plus of discussion, we set up another meeting. That turned out to be Saturday afternoon (Apr. 2), just hours after our Holy Father went on to his reward. I had done a bit of preparing for our meeting but was I really messed up emotionally and I wasn’t sure if I had the energy to defend my faith at that moment. With some prayer, I knew I had to right the ship and push on in the spirit of John Paul II. We had a great discussion, with our main focus on the “Great Apostasy.” They couldn’t defend their position; and I could mine. I knew I wasn’t alone. The Holy Spirit works wonders (as does the truth).
God Bless (and keep planting those seeds!)
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jack johns:
Now by your confused “interpretation” the baptizer MUST be IMMERSED. Do you do that? NO.
Then you make the Scriputres void by man made traditions:
Isaias 521:5 He shall sprinkle many nations, kings shall shut their mouth at him: for they to whom it was not told of him, have seen: and they that heard not, have beheld.
So, according to you, this prophecy is VOID.
And Again does SPRINKLING cleanse?
Psalms 50 :9** Thou shalt sprinkle me with hyssop, and I shall be cleansed: thou shalt wash me, and I shall be made whiter than snow.:
And Again does POURING cleanse? :
Ez 36:25 And I will pour upon you clean water, and you shall be cleansed from all your filthiness, and I will cleanse you from all your idols.
If this is your best shot at the Great APOSTASY, you have a one man dilusion.
I have no clue what you are illustrating.
- “Laying on of Hands” is the FORM of Catholic Ordinations, and always has been.
- Priestly authority is what the Church ALWAYS taught, and what we are criticized for by Prot’s.
Now by your confused “interpretation” the baptizer MUST be IMMERSED. Do you do that? NO.
Then you make the Scriputres void by man made traditions:
Isaias 521:5 He shall sprinkle many nations, kings shall shut their mouth at him: for they to whom it was not told of him, have seen: and they that heard not, have beheld.
So, according to you, this prophecy is VOID.
And Again does SPRINKLING cleanse?
Psalms 50 :9** Thou shalt sprinkle me with hyssop, and I shall be cleansed: thou shalt wash me, and I shall be made whiter than snow.:
And Again does POURING cleanse? :
Ez 36:25 And I will pour upon you clean water, and you shall be cleansed from all your filthiness, and I will cleanse you from all your idols.
If this is your best shot at the Great APOSTASY, you have a one man dilusion.
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Church_Militant
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As I said before; There just isn’t any valid historical evidence to support this allegation, and none has been presented here. :ehh:
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2Rollin_Stoned
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Wasn’t someone just talking about this on another thread the other day? I have never seen any evidence that the church went nuts way early on…the of course…there WAS “the reformation” 
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Luke1_48
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2Rollin'Stoned:
This is talked about over and over again…Wasn’t someone just talking about this on another thread the other day? I have never seen any evidence that the church went nuts way early on…the of course…there WAS “the reformation”
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And still no one provides any evidence for this allegation.
I think that’s pretty cool!
Pax vobiscum,
I think that’s pretty cool!
Pax vobiscum,
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