The Great Reset

[Maximian]

That’s a very specific order! Can I suggest you look the Great Reset up for yourself?

 

[Motherwit]

Maybe we are in different alternate realities…

I would concur that that is true.

 

[umamibella]

That’s a very specific order! Can I suggest you look the Great Reset up dor yourself?

I like hearing peoples views on it, rather then reading endless links that may not be their views

 

[phil3]

It most certainly is. Would you consider it uncharitable if I said you had no work ethic?

Depends on if it factually true or not.

 

[Maximian]

Then you could try to find a less imperious way of making your request. But I do think that people who want to engage in a discussion can reasonably be expected to do their own homework.

 

[Annie]

Can you please explain what this is all about and its errors, who exactly is propagating it.

So a bunch of evil, greedy, exploitative capitalists get together from time to time to relax and drink $70K/bottle scotch and eat Strottarga Bianco Caviar and plot chat.

They have decided that since the world is upended and people are feeling disoriented, now would be the time to totally impose their wishlist own best ideas for social, political, cultural, and economic changes on the entire world.

Another bunch of people, who have up til now been fighting against the capitalists because of their evil, greedy, exploitative ways, have decided that the desire of the capitalists to appease us all with care-free lives is a sign that they have grown a conscience.

Some of us don’t really want to have every aspect of our lives regulated by evil rich people and are disagreeing.

 

[goout]

goout:

It’s not an uncharitable assumption that the work ethic is disappearing and that it contributes to the cycle of poverty.

It most certainly is. Would you consider it uncharitable if I said you had no work ethic?

It’s the direct statistical evidence, shown by un-fillable jobs

For the third time, that is faulty logic. Un-fillable jobs in one place does not prove that people in another place can fill those jobs.

You went on a virtue signalling rant and derailed the point. I’ll repost what I said before you went on a tear:

To my knowledge there are plenty of jobs for everyone who really wants one. Go to any employment or staffing agency and ask them. The issue is the willingness to work and stay with a job more than a day or two. The rise of staffing agencies is due to the loss of the work ethic. Employers do not want the hassle of the employee revolving door.

This is the reality that employers live with.
to which you replied with accusations ranging from racism on my part to indifference toward the poor. You really went way overboard here.

 

[umamibella]

Then you could try to find a less imperious way of making your request. But I do think that people who want to engage in a discussion can reasonably be expected to do their own homework.

Less imperious? Are you saying my request to hear in your own words the issue and its pros and cons is arrogant and domineering?

imperious

/ɪmˈpɪərɪəs/

adjective

1. arrogant and domineering.

“his imperious demands”

I did explain why I was more interested in your view then that of numerous links.
I would say this might be one difference in communication and discussion between our two countries given your response here and also the homework comment.

homework

I like hearing peoples views on it, rather then reading endless links that may not be their views

Give you think I am being ’ imperious’ I am sorry if you have been offended in any way by the attitude you think I am taking, and will withdraw the question for risk of more misunderstanding on why I requested this from your pov rather then a link.

It is a pity when we cannot ask another their pov of ideas and links. It leads to closed communication.

You did ask in your first post for our povs.

Do you see this as an opportunistic attempt to use COVID19 as an excuse to impose socialism?

 

[umamibella]

So a bunch of evil, greedy, exploitative capitalists get together from time to time to relax and drink $70K/bottle scotch and eat Strottarga Bianco Caviar and plot chat.

They have decided that since the world is upended and people are feeling disoriented, now would be the time to totally impose their wishlist own best ideas for social, political, cultural, and economic changes on the entire world.

Another bunch of people, who have up til now been fighting against the capitalists because of their evil, greedy, exploitative ways, have decided that the desire of the capitalists to appease us all with care-free lives is a sign that they have grown a conscience.

Some of us don’t really want to have every aspect of our lives regulated by evil rich people and are disagreeing.

Thank you Annie for your POV.

 

[Annie]

absolutely a huge barrier to improving oneself, and in the US I see it as a plan to keep the downtrodden down.

 

[Annie]

Thank you Annie for your POV.

well, I didn’t write it because you asked, but I was happy you asked so I could write it

I agree with @Maximium that when you read a thread about a public issue you shouldn’t ask the posters to explain the issue itself to you. Learning about things on your own is a part of being an independent adult.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

It most certainly is. Would you consider it uncharitable if I said you had no work ethic?

Depends on if it factually true or not.

Unless you personally know the individual people and know for a fact that they are lazy, it is certainly uncharitable speculation to call them lazy. I thought this sort of thinking died out with eugenics, but here it is again!

 

[umamibella]

I agree with @Maximium that when you read a thread about a public issue you shouldn’t ask the posters to explain the issue itself to you. Learning about things on your own is a part of being an independent adult.

I can never learn anothers pov unless I ask. Sure I can read a myriad of websites on the great reset. Unless they are academic, they are going to be biased towards the authors view. Thats fine if I want the authors pov, it wont illuminate me on the original poster pov or anothers pov who cares to post.
There is a big difference between the two. I seem to be failing to get that difference across. Is it uncommon to ask people for their pov in USA? Is it uncommon to ask what a person sees as errors, pros and cons? Is it seen as offensive to do so?

Learning about others pov and discussing that with them is also part of being an ‘independent adult’. Listening to others pov comes first if a decent discussion is to be had.

well, I didn’t write it because you asked, but I was happy you asked so I could write it

Yeah I realised that from its tone. Sometimes thats why we Aussies ask

 

[LeafByNiggle]

I’ll repost what I said before you went on a tear:

goout:

To my knowledge there are plenty of jobs for everyone who really wants one. Go to any employment or staffing agency and ask them. The issue is the willingness to work and stay with a job more than a day or two. The rise of staffing agencies is due to the loss of the work ethic. Employers do not want the hassle of the employee revolving door.

This is the reality that employers live with.
to which you replied with accusations ranging from racism on my part to indifference toward the poor. You really went way overboard here.

Then I will repost my response, which is that your “proof” is faulty logic - a fault you have simply ignored. That fault is that the existence of unfilled jobs in one place does not mean that a person in another place could potentially fill that job, or even if he is in the same place, if the job requires skills or other resources that the person does not possess, he cannot take that job. The observation about turnover is also faulty logic because the fact that there are people who are unreliable as workers does not mean everyone in his class is jobless because they are unreliable.

And yes, it is uncharitable speculation to label jobless people you do not know personally as lacking in a work ethic.

 

[Annie]

I can never learn anothers pov unless I ask.

But that was not what you asked:

Can you please explain what this is all about and its errors, who exactly is propagating it.

I saw a few mentions of the great reset here and there, and I looked it up.

They have 2 or more sites where they give the general gist of their current idea—we think now would be a good time to reorganize everything so we want to figure out what we would like but beforehand we want to market the idea of this massive detail-less change so everyone will be predisposed to go along with whatever we come up with.

Then you can ask people for their point of view, although here you don’t really need to ask, people just give their opinions freely

And you can ask questions about why people hold the opinion.

You could ask people questions like: maybe getting everyone in the world on the same page would be a good idea because…, why do you think this is a bad idea? Or, wow, top-down implementation of the plans of transnational capitalists seems a bit risky, why do you like the idea?

Also, remember we can’t hear your tone of voice, that is why I use emoticons. I found out the hard way

 

[Annie]

I would say unbelievable, but sadly it’s not.

 

[Annie]

Yeah I realised that from its tone. Sometimes thats why we Aussies ask

LOL, I looked up that caviar, which is like $110K/kilogram, and now I am getting ads for incredibly expensive caviar on my ads here.

Next they will hit this poor teetotaler with ads for $50K scotch!

 

[Ridgerunner]

What? Who is discussing a 90% tax rate? Unless you’re actually Bezos or Zuckerberg I don’t think you have much to worry about.

Early in the Obama administration, they did internally float the idea of “trading” peoples’ 401Ks and IRAs for life annuities to be paid by the government. It caused a firestorm and they shelved it. But I doubt the leftists have forgotten the idea.

As far as I’m aware every OECD member has universal healthcare, bar one. Three guesses which one that is.

They vary a lot, though. In some of them, it’s “Medicaid with deductibles” for the bottom third or so and a private system a lot like ours used to be, for the top third. In at least one, you pay your own bill then bill the government for it and hope you get repaid the 80%.

 

[umamibella]

But that was not what you asked:

That was my way of asking the op to explain his pov. I did make it clearer with

I like hearing peoples views on it, rather then reading endless links that may not be their views

Obviously it was not clear enough because there is still confusion.

I saw a few mentions of the great reset here and there, and I looked it up.

I looked it up and asked what it was because I had not heard of it before and did not want to end up on a disinformation site. A couple of people posted good links in response.

Also, remember we can’t hear your tone of voice, that is why I use emoticons. I found out the hard way

Yep me too, learning the hard way after having something being called an ‘imperious’ way of making a request. That statement would be seen as intentionally incredibly offensive in Australia. Obviously it is not regarded that way where its statement maker lives.

 

[umamibella]

LOL, I looked up that caviar, which is like $110K/kilogram, and now I am getting ads for incredibly expensive caviar on my ads here.

Next they will hit this poor teetotaler with ads for $50K scotch!

The great reset! It wants to be good scotch.