The hidden secret conspiracy involving the mysteries surrounding Catholicism… finally revealed here!

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masterjedi747 said:
Because the words “secret… conspiracy… mystery revealed” naturally arouse a sense of interest in us. We are creatures that want to know the truth (or just want to know what in the world you’re talking about), and those sort of words claim to point us in that direction… whether we should trust them or not is another question.

Mystery solved. 😛

Uh… nope. No, I didn’t.
I just came here to find out what the heck you were talking about. 🙂
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Jimmy_B said:
… Am I wrong? Did you come here to discover the hidden, secret mysteries involving Catholicism? …
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OK I admit it - I thought you’d finally cracked a perfect understanding of the trinity, the resurrection, the Church’s union, etc… 😛

So funny you should mention this - I was looking at this book section with a friend the other day and we were marvelling at some of the titles. I’m certain if someone brought out a book called The Mung Bean Conspiracy people would be lapping it up.

👍
 
JonNC said:
Your cheating, Jimmy. Everytime you post your little running score, an email pops up, so I check it. You’re boosting your own totals. 😉
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LOL… Don’t tell anyone this is one of my lighthearted threads…:whistle:

You’re not going to fall for this one again…are you? 😃
 
Jimmy_B said:
Ah Hah… I was right…. If the words “secret”, “conspiracy” or “mysteries revealed” are put into the title of anything… especially anything “Catholic”, people will read it, much like the many works of fiction about Catholicism today. My question is, why? Even worse, many people will believe it….….Why?
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no offense, buddy. but i went in here to see what kind of nonsense you have to say. i know its nonsense because if its really a new ‘secret’ then cnn and all the anti-catholics would have beaten you into it. eh? 😛
 
Jimmy_B said:
LOL… Don’t tell anyone this is one of my lighthearted threads…:whistle:

You’re not going to fall for this one again…are you? 😃
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This one doesn’t count to your total! I was just checking to see what your response was.🙂

Your secret is safe with me.
 
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***Here is what Church Fathers had to say. In every case the word “Catholic”
is used. Notice the dates, as they span over a century before and after
Constantine. The JXXXX refers to the paragraph numbers in “The Faith
of the Early Fathers”, by William A. Jurgens.

Catholic Church…

Ignatius, Letter to the Smyrneans 8:1-2. J65. 106AD
Martyrdom of St. Polycarp 16:2. J77,79,80a,81a, 155AD
Clement of Alexandria, Stromateis 7:17:107:3. J435, 202AD
Cyprian, Unity of the Catholic Church 4-6. J555-557, 251AD
Cyprian, Letter to Florentius 66:69:8. J587, 254AD
Lactantius,Divine Institutions 4:30:1. *J637, 304AD
Alexander of Alexandria, Letters 12. J680, 324AD
Athanasius, Letter on Council of Nicea 27. J757, 350AD
Athanasius, Letter to Serapion 1:28. J782, 359AD
Athanasius, Letter to Council of Rimini 5. J785, 361AD
Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures 18:1. J836-*839, 350AD
Damasus, Decree of Damasus 3. J910u, 382AD
Serapion, The Sacramentary 13:1. J1239a, 350AD
Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian 1:4 J1243, 375AD
Jerome, Against the Pelagians book 1-2 417 A.D.
Augustine, Letter to Vincent the Rogatist 93:7:23. J1422, 408AD
Augustine, Letter to Vitalis 217:5:16. J1456, 427AD
Augustine, Psalms 88:2:14, 90:2:1. J1478-1479, 418AD
Augustine, Sermons 2, 267:4. *J1492, *J1523, 430AD
Augustine, Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed 6:14. J1535, 395AD
Augustine, The True Religion 7:12+. *J1548, *J1562, J1564, 390AD
Augustine, Against the Letter of Mani 4:5. *J1580-1581, 397AD
Augustine, Christian Instruction 2:8:12+. *J1584, J1617, 400AD
Augustine, Baptism 4:21:28+. J1629, J1714, J1860a, J1882, 411AD
Augustine, Against the Pelagians 2:3:5+. *J1892, *J1898, 421AD
Innocent I, Letter to Probus 36. J2017, 417AD
Fulgence of Ruspe, Forgiveness of Sins 1:19:2, J2251-2252, 517AD

The following writings attest to the antiquity of the Catholic Church.

Church Antiquity…

Hermas, The Shepherd Vis 2:4:1. J82
Anonymous 2nd Letter of Clement to Corinthians 14:2. J105
Clement of Alexandria, Stromateis 7:17:107:3. J435
Augustine, Letter to Deogratias 102:15. J1428
Augustine, Psalms 90:2:1. J1479
Augustine, Predestination of Saints 9:18. J1985
Gregory I, Letter to John 5:44:18. J2295 595AD

The following writings support the perpetuality of the Catholic Church.

Church Forever…

Clement, Letter to Corinthians 42:1,64. J20,29a 80AD
Anonymous, 2nd letter of Clement to Rome 14:2. J105
Cyprian, Unity of the Catholic Church 4. J555-556
Cyprian, Letter to the Lapsed 33:27:1. J571
Hilary, The Trinity 7:4. J865 Augustine, Psalms 90:2:1. J1479
Augustine, Sermon to Catechumens 6:14. J1535

The following writings tell of the founding of the Catholic Church.

Church Founded…

Clement, Letter to Corinthians 42:1. J20
Hermas, The Shepherd Vis 2:4:1-3:5:1. J82-84 140AD
Anonymous, Letter of Clement 14:2. J105
Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3:16:6. J217a
Tertullian, Demurrer Against Heretics 9:3. J289
Clement of Alexandria, Stromateis 7:17:107:3. J435 202AD
Cyprian, Unity of the Catholic Church 4. J555-556
Cyprian, Letter to the Lapsed 33:27:1. J571
Hilary of Poitiers, The Trinity 7:4. J865
Augustine, Homilies on John 9:10. J1814

The following writings attest to the fact that the Catholic Church
was seated in Rome.

Church Seated in Rome…

Clement, Letter to the Corinthians, Address. J10a 80AD
Ignatius, Letter to the Romans, J52
Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3:3:3. J210-211
Cyprian, Letter to Cornelius 59:55:14. J580
Council of Constantinople, Canon3. J910d
Damasus, Decree of Damasus 3. J910u
Optatus of Melvis, Schism of Donatists 2:2. J1242

The following writings tell of the unity of the Catholic Church.

Church Unity…

Didache 4:3. J1b Ignatius, Letter to the Philadelphians 3:2. J56
Tertullian, Demurrer Against Heretics 20:4. J292
Cyprian, Unity of the Catholic Church 4. J555-556

The following writings attest to the ‘Universality’ of the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church ******is truly ‘Universal’ as its name implies.

*Church Universal…

Didache, 9:1,10:1. J6,7
Clement, Letter to Corinthians 5:1. J11
Ignatius, Letter to the Ephesians 3:2. J38
Martyrdom of St. Polycarp, Address. J77,79,81a
Hermas, The Shepherd Par 9:17:4. J93
Anonymous, Letter to Diogenetus 6:1. J97a
Aristides of Athens, Apology 15. J112
Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho 110. J144
Irenaeus, Against Heresies 1:10:1. J191,192,215,257
The Muratorian Fragment. J268
Tertullian, Against the Jews 7:4. J320a
Clement of Alexandria, Exhortation Greeks 10:110:1. J405
Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures 18:23. J838
Damasus, Decree of Damasus 3. J910u **
 
Jimmy_B said:
Trouble…:rolleyes: That’s what I’m up to…I’ve even got a couple of these -:tsktsk: …and some of these - :mad:, since I’ve been here at CAF but never one of these -:clapping:

:extrahappy:

Peace 🙂
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peacelight, those are very good posts. A little large, but very good. 👍
 
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