The immaculate misconception

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Well, that would affect some people, all right. But since it is my life, and I have dominion over it, if I would decide that my life is not worth to live any longer, it is none of their business.
I’m joining the conversation late. I did read the very first post and some afterward. I think the difference between Spock and a believing Catholic is that believing Catholics do not believe they have dominion over their lives, they believe God has that dominion. This is an a priori difference that will never be overcome by arguing on a forum.

Regarding all the talk about the Church’s teaching on sexuality, first of all, you could read Blessed Pope John Paul II’s writings on the Theology of the Body. It is available online, IF you really care about the Catholic viewpoint. But don’t misunderstand it as being a bunch of NO’s and DON’T’s. That’s not it. The Church’s mission is to teach people how to be Saints, not to give them the okay to indulge in their pet sins.

Incidentally, read the Catechism in regard to masturbation. You will be surprised that the teaching is more compassionate than you think.

Peace, really.
 
If God cannot do something his omnipotence is not absolute.
God is not an imaginary construct. God is a being. He is certainly omnipotent. What He cannot do is be what He is not. No being can go against its very nature; if it did it would not be that being.

God cannot not be God. He cannot be “I am Who is not.”

He is omnipotent. Absolutely.
 
I’m joining the conversation late. I did read the very first post and some afterward. I think the difference between Spock and a believing Catholic is that believing Catholics do not believe they have dominion over their lives, they believe God has that dominion. This is an a priori difference that will never be overcome by arguing on a forum.

Regarding all the talk about the Church’s teaching on sexuality, first of all, you could read Blessed Pope John Paul II’s writings on the Theology of the Body. It is available online, IF you really care about the Catholic viewpoint. But don’t misunderstand it as being a bunch of NO’s and DON’T’s. That’s not it. The Church’s mission is to teach people how to be Saints, not to give them the okay to indulge in their pet sins.

Incidentally, read the Catechism in regard to masturbation. You will be surprised that the teaching is more compassionate than you think.

Peace, really.
At the risk of receiving another PM about my user name I want to say that I agree with you about the CCC in regard to masturbation. The Church is very compassionate. (And it’s OK for everyone to laugh about my user name. 😊)
 
God is not an imaginary construct. God is a being. He is certainly omnipotent. What He cannot do is be what He is not. No being can go against its very nature; if it did it would not be that being.

God cannot not be God. He cannot be “I am Who is not.”

He is omnipotent. Absolutely.
It doesn’t have to make sense it just is heh:rolleyes:
 
It doesn’t have to make sense it just is heh:rolleyes:
It makes sense. It may not make sense to *YOU *but it makes sense. You might try crawling out of that box you’re in and make an attempt to look at things from a universal, eternal level.
 
It makes sense. It may not make sense to *YOU *but it makes sense. You might try crawling out of that box you’re in and make an attempt to look at things from a universal, eternal level.
From a non-human level you mean.
But I can’t because I am human.

Of course, so are all past and present Catholic priests and saints.
 
From a non-human level you mean.
But I can’t because I am human.

Of course, so are all past and present Catholic priests and saints.
Why are misrepresting the other posters post?

Your view is not the only human view of reality.
 
Why are misrepresting the other posters post?

Your view is not the only human view of reality.
Humans cannot really see things eternally and/or universally.
We lack that kind of capacity.
 
Humans cannot really see things eternally and/or universally.
We lack that kind of capacity.
No, we don’t lack the kind of capacity. We don’t use a large amount of our brains. But we can learn to do so and we can think of the possibility of an afterlife, eternity, and God. We can study the writings of obviously intelligent people who believe(d) in God (I’m thinking of Chesterton as I write this).

We can reflect, meditate, clear our minds of all that extraneous, unneeded junk that accumulates and look at things from a different perspective or from many different perspectives. We can realize that there are more than four dimensions, that there may be things we cannot see because our eyes physically cannot see them. We can understand that just because we can’t physically see something does not mean that it doesn’t exist. What about the universe? If the universe is everything where is it going as it grows? Where did it come from? What are black holes really? How big is the universe?

What about the possibility of reincarnation? I know the Church teaches that we are not reincarnated but it still helps to think about the possibility. An awful lot of people believe in it.

God gave us the ability to be able to do this. Many eastern religious people claim to be able to leave their bodies. I don’t see why they can’t and maybe I can learn to do that, too. Now I’m reading about the way Native Americans looked at life and eternity. There is just so much to think about and dream about and learn about.

We can also, instead of trying to understand life and existence from an eternal viewpoint, fold ourselves down so that we concentrate on only our own being and the smallest possible bit that defines ourselves, and then open ourselves up (perhaps through meditation) to find out what happens. Most people believe that we have no control over autonomic bodily functions but I learned how to regulate the temperature in my fingers. And I found it to be very easy to do. I do this now to help relax myself if I am going through a painful or frightening experience. It works. I’m amazed at the things people can do.

I’m not saying it’s always easy but it’s not that difficult. It takes time and practice and concentration, which are good in themselves, and many people find it to be very rewarding.
 
You are overlooking the fact that omnipotence entails the power to choose not to be able to do something! 😉
And this overlooks the fact that the choice not to do some things negates the omnibenevolent aspect that is claimed for the Christian God…
 
Well, the obvious choice would be to intervene in order to prevent the suffering of the innocent - especially that which occurs due to no human intention, such as natural disasters or contagious disease…unless, of course, you suppose that your god values microbes as much as he values humans and needs to find a balance that accommodates both. But that sounds more like my god than yours…
 
And this overlooks the fact that the choice not to do some things negates the omnibenevolent aspect that is claimed for the Christian God…
Not at all.

I have chosen not to intervene when a nurse is holding down my child, inflicting pain on her, in order to immunize her. It certainly might appear to a stranger that I am overlooking the pain being inflicted on my child, but we know that I am not being a Big Meany when I allow my child to receive pain in this instance.

Same with God.
 
Well, the obvious choice would be to intervene in order to prevent the suffering of the innocent - especially that which occurs due to no human intention, such as natural disasters or contagious disease…unless, of course, you suppose that your god values microbes as much as he values humans and needs to find a balance that accommodates both. But that sounds more like my god than yours…
Have you thought of the consequences of constant intervention?
 
And this overlooks the fact that the choice not to do some things negates the omnibenevolent aspect that is claimed for the Christian God…
No it doesn’t. If God chose to not be evil it would certainly not negate His omnibenevolent aspect.

He cannot not be God. If He could do this He would not be God. Nothing can go against its very being for it is that very being that defines what something is. God is God. He cannot not be God. :confused:
 
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