The importance of a physical resurrection

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Hello and greetings my fellow brothers an sisters 🙂

I am pretty new here, so go easy on me 😃

I would like to know what is the significance of the physical resurrection of Jesus to our lives, as lovers of Jesus?

How would our lives as servants to God be different had Jesus not had a physical resurrection?

Thank you for your attention and God bless.

Kam
 
Kam_Fanaian said:
Hello and greetings my fellow brothers an sisters 🙂

I am pretty new here, so go easy on me 😃

I would like to know what is the significance of the physical resurrection of Jesus to our lives, as lovers of Jesus?

How would our lives as servants to God be different had Jesus not had a physical resurrection?

Thank you for your attention and God bless.

Kam
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Then Jesus would not have redeemed us. Sin caused death. With Christ’s resurrection he was able to “fix” our fallen human nature by adding his divinity to it. By dying himself and He cannot be bound by death, he in effect has released humanity from the bondage of death. So we all shall resurrect at the end of time.
 
Thankyou for your response Constantine TG 🙂

Do you have a Scriptural reference for your response by which I can gain further understanding please?

Kam
 
What is the significance of the physical resurrection of Jesus to our lives, as lovers of Jesus?

As lovers of Jesus, the significance of his physical resurrection for us is that we are alive in him, through him and with him.

In baptism we die to the world and are born in Christ.

In dying you destroyed our death, in rising you restored our life. Lord Jesus, come in glory.
(response of the congregation during mass, after the priest consecrated the host)
 
How would our lives as servants to God be different had Jesus not had a physical resurrection?

That would have meant that Jesus doesn’t promise us eternal life in his kingdom.

We would be dead meat to all the other creatures, that he created.

Anyway, by speculating you put yourself into the wrong shoes. If I would be you I would put myself in the shoes of St. Benedict and study his life. Today is his feast day, 11 July

We Catholics study the life of the saints in order to have an idea of how to become holy.

Speculations purely out of curiosity doesn’t lead to a true devotion. It leads to falsehood.

Please pray, pray, pray.

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name,
thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory
now and forever. Amen

The message of our Lady of Medjugorje on July 2:

“My children; Again, in a motherly way, I implore you to stop for a moment and to reflect on yourselves and on the transience of this your earthly life. Then reflect on eternity and the eternal beatitude. What do you want? Which way do you want to set out on? The Father`s love sends me to be a mediatrix for you, to show you with motherly love the way which leads to the purity of soul; a soul unburdened by sin; a soul that will come to know eternity. I am praying that the light of the love of my Son may illuminate you, so that you may triumph over weaknesses and come out of misery. You are my children and I desire for all of you to be on the way of salvation. Therefore, my children, gather around me that I may have you come to know the love of my Son and thus open the door of eternal beatitude. Pray as I do for your shepherds. Again I caution you: do not judge them, because my Son chose them. Thank you.”
 
A physical resurrection of Jesus points to the way of a life after death through Jesus and a concentrating of the mind of all men on Christian Theology to assess such claims.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Then Jesus would not have redeemed us. Sin caused death. With Christ’s resurrection he was able to “fix” our fallen human nature by adding his divinity to it. By dying himself and He cannot be bound by death, he in effect has released humanity from the bondage of death. So we all shall resurrect at the end of time.
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But that does not really answer the question. Why is it important that the resurrection be physical, rather than spiritual? “Fixing fallen nature” is a spiritual result – so why was a physical rather than spiritual resurrection the necessary cause?
 
Sen_McGlinn said:
But that does not really answer the question. Why is it important that the resurrection be physical, rather than spiritual? “Fixing fallen nature” is a spiritual result – so why was a physical rather than spiritual resurrection the necessary cause?
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Our human nature is both physical (body) and spiritual (soul). Both parts of our nature received “death” as a result of Adam’s sin. Both needed to be redeemed. Jesus’ physical resurrection is proof that death can be conquered in the body.

God created us to be humans – for all eternity. In order to be that, we must have a body and a soul. Thus, both parts of our nature needed to be redeemed if we are to exist in a fully human state for all eternity. “Fixing fallen nature” requires more than just a spiritual result (fixing our soul), it also requires a physical result (fixing our body).
 
I would add to my above post a note that Our Lord’s physical resurrection proves death is not the end for either the body or the soul. A living human body is proof that a human soul is also present in it. Had the apostles and others not had a risen body to see, what proof could they have had that a spiritual/soul resurrection had occurred?!
 
Kam_Fanaian said:
Hello and greetings my fellow brothers an sisters 🙂

I am pretty new here, so go easy on me 😃

I would like to know what is the significance of the physical resurrection of Jesus to our lives, as lovers of Jesus?

How would our lives as servants to God be different had Jesus not had a physical resurrection?

Thank you for your attention and God bless.

Kam
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The significance of the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ is the hope that we have through faith. That is, by his sinless life, and sacrificial death for our sins, Jesus Christ overcame the effects of sin, which is not only spiritual separation from our Creator, but that Jesus also overcame the physical effects of sin, which is our physical mortality.

His physical resurrection from the dead heralds the hope of not only of our own physical resurrection in an incorruptible body, but also the hope of a new creation. A creation in which the present creation is subject to death because of sin, but will be restored again.

There are many scriptures, here are only a few:

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
(1 Corinth.15:51-57)

** For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.** (Romans 8:19-23).

But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all. (1 Corinth. 15:23-27)

“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth,
and the former things shall not be remembered
or come into mind.(Isaiah 65:17)

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling placea of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” (Revelation 21:1-4)

God’s peace be with you.
 
If no physical resurrection, then our LORD lied when He said He had power over death.

If no physical resurrection, there is nOthing special about HIM. The idea of a “spirit going on” is far older than Christianity.

If no physical resurrection, we have no hope once our own eyes roll back in our heads; as human life is impossible without a human BODY to hold the life.

ICXC NIKA
 
Kam_Fanaian said:
Hello and greetings my fellow brothers an sisters 🙂

I am pretty new here, so go easy on me 😃

I would like to know what is the significance of the physical resurrection of Jesus to our lives, as lovers of Jesus?

How would our lives as servants to God be different had Jesus not had a physical resurrection?

Thank you for your attention and God bless.

Kam
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Excellent questions, my friend! Please consider the following concepts:

What is the significance of the physical resurrection of Jesus to our lives, as lovers of Jesus?
To let us know that Heaven is a physical place, which gives us the determination to become as perfectly loving as Jesus.
To show us that God can heal our bodies from the damage inflicted by man, which gives us the strength to not fear persecution.

How would our lives as servants to God be different had Jesus not had a physical resurrection?
We could never become as perfectly loving as Jesus. The quality of our love would always be slightly limited, and therefore, our lives would never be able to experience the limitless happiness with unbreakable peace of Heaven.

Thoughts?
 
“Heaven” isn’t a physical place.

“The new heavens and the new earth” is a physical place.

Obviously denominations differ about this, but the Catholic Church has always taught that when the body dies, the soul goes to its proper place spiritually (Heaven/Purgatory or Hell); and then at the end of time, all souls are reunited with their bodies (Bodies that are made new, of course.) just in time for the Last Judgment and all that good stuff. (So yeah, if you go to Hell, this time your body gets to go also.)

Heaven = souls, unless you’re Jesus or Mary or such.

New heavens and new Earth and the New Jerusalem = bodies and souls.

Prudentius’ early Christian hymn for a funeral procession is very good about dramatizing this, because he talks about how one of the sad things about death is that the soul and the body are temporarily parted, and the joy that we will have on the Day of Resurrection when soul and body meet again. (Because that’s how being a human is supposed to work best – we’re each designed as a combo pack.)

Here’s a good English translation I hadn’t seen before, by Francis St. John Thackeray. The Latin is on the facing pages, so you can see where he gets it.

Here’s a translation of all the verses, under “Hymn for the Burial of the Dead.”
 
Sen_McGlinn said:
But that does not really answer the question. Why is it important that the resurrection be physical, rather than spiritual? “Fixing fallen nature” is a spiritual result – so why was a physical rather than spiritual resurrection the necessary cause?
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Because we are created body and soul. To resurrect us spiritually only means we are not resurrected at all. Humans are body and soul. Our existence is not complete unless we are as God intended us to be.
 
Nita said:
Our human nature is both physical (body) and spiritual (soul). Both parts of our nature received “death” as a result of Adam’s sin. Both needed to be redeemed. Jesus’ physical resurrection is proof that death can be conquered in the body.

God created us to be humans – for all eternity. In order to be that, we must have a body and a soul. Thus, both parts of our nature needed to be redeemed if we are to exist in a fully human state for all eternity. “Fixing fallen nature” requires more than just a spiritual result (fixing our soul), it also requires a physical result (fixing our body).
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Hello Nita 🙂

Are you therefore saying that when your body dies, you are no longer considered a human being?

Thankyou for your response

Kam
 
Constantine TG, I would ask you the same question as Nita

If that is your belief, what Scripture can you provide to further my understanding of this concept, since it is new to me. My understanding has always been that the “true” reality of human beings is the spiritual soul and it is the soul that lives for eternity after the physical body dies.

Either way, some Scriptural references to your understanding would be greatly appreciated 🙂
 
Kam_Fanaian said:
Hello Nita 🙂

Are you therefore saying that when your body dies, you are no longer considered a human being?

Thankyou for your response

Kam
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Correct. Soul (Psyche) + Body (Soma) = Human being (Psychosomatic).

A dead body is not a human being.

Likewise, a bodiless soul, if such existed in time, would not be a human being.

The resurrectional form (pneumatikon soma) on the other side of eternity is once again a human being.

ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
Likewise, a bodiless soul, if such existed in time, would not be a human being.
ICXC NIKA
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OK, but in post #14, Mintaka, also speaking from a Catholic perspective, says “the Catholic Church has always taught that when the body dies, the soul goes to its proper place spiritually (Heaven/Purgatory or Hell); and then at the end of time, all souls are reunited with their bodies.”

So the soul living in heaven with God is sub-human because it lacks a body? Or am I confusing two different strands of Catholic theology? At the other end of the process, if the body is required to become a human, is the newly fertilized human egg a human? (I would say yes, but my idea of “human” has nothing to do with the body).
 
Sen_McGlinn said:
OK, but in post #14, Mintaka, also speaking from a Catholic perspective, says “the Catholic Church has always taught that when the body dies, the soul goes to its proper place spiritually (Heaven/Purgatory or Hell); and then at the end of time, all souls are reunited with their bodies.”

So the soul living in heaven with God is sub-human because it lacks a body? Or am I confusing two different strands of Catholic theology? At the other end of the process, if the body is required to become a human, is the newly fertilized human egg a human? (I would say yes, but my idea of “human” has nothing to do with the body).
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Not sub-human, more like incomplete - an incomplete human being.
Our soul is the superior part of our human nature. It’s the principle of human life, both spiritual and physical. The intellect and the will reside in the soul. Our soul, after death, will know it is a human soul. I would guess a “bodyless” human soul longs for its body, longs for the resurrection, so it can once again express and communicate itself fully.

Yes, a newly fertilized human egg is a human.
 
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