The Insidious Creeping of the Gay Movement

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wifeandmomoftwo said:
Since when have gays ever been allowed to marry:bigyikes:
Oh those poor single people, that loose those 1600 rights for not being married what about them?

hey lets list the rights gays do have…
  1. it is no longer illegal to perform sodomy.
  2. it is not longer legal to put someone to death for sodomy
  3. Gays can now legal immigrate to the US.
    4.Wisconsin becomes the first state to pass a law prohibiting discrimination against gays and lesbians in employment, housing and public accommodation.
    5.you can now speak favorably about homosexual acts in schools.
  4. Gays can serve in the military
  5. gays can get married in MA
  6. the Hawaii legislature passes a law that extends a number of rights and benefits to same-gender couples, calling them reciprocal beneficiaries. Additional laws granting further rights and benefits are passed in 1999
    9.Vermont Supreme Court rules that gay couples must be granted the same benefits and protections awarded married couples of the opposite sex. In 2000, the Vermont legislature enacts a civil unions law.
  7. Gays can have civil unions in many states
    11.A comprehensive domestic partnership statute is passed in Oregon, granting nearly all rights afforded to married couples to same-sex couples. The bill is similar to California’s domestic partnerships.
I am sure that there are more rights that gays have…and this is just the tip of the iceberg

I am sorry but why are you comparing slavery to gay rights?
Two different things…imho.
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At least they have the possibility of being allowed to marry.
  1. Lawrence vs Texas 2003, Thank God. Isn’t it sad it took that long?
  2. Again, past injustices.
  3. That is currently under debate.
  4. 1 state. 2%. Legislation was blocked for ENDA and Bush would have vetoed it for a hypocritcal reason.
  5. Not completely true. Why would that be a bad thing?
    6)Gays cannot serve openly in the military, as per DADT
    7)One state and there is currently some effort to try to pass an amendment barring marriage to only one man and one women.
    8)They still dont have all the same rights.
    9)Again, only a few states have civil union laws.
  6. How does civil unions equate with marriage? Looking at history, one can see the disastrous consequence of “seperate but equal”, which is what the case is here. It will not work.
  7. Nearly.
Why should they have to fight for equal rights? Why wouldn’t people have problems with inequality?

Matt
 
I am curious what you think of the insidious creeps who crucified Matthew Shepherd, a gay man, in Wyoming? Sadly, your tone promotes and justifies this kind of hatred. It is antithetical to the Gospel. The few references against homosexuality in the great scope of the bible have to be taken in the context of the worshippers of Baal and pre-Christian feritility rites condoning beastiality, temple prostitution, rape, and even child sacrifice. It also has to be grasped in the context of people struggling to keep their tribes alive and simply bring children into the world.

Ours is a far different time. Most homosexuals lead lives far different from these wanton practices of primitive peoples. Nor do we share the same fear of life ending for want of heterosexuals pairing to mate. Personally I do not condone homosexuality, nor do I condemn homosexuals or fear their “movement.” I think this is the correct read of our catechism. We are, after all, called to love the sinner. “Insidious creeping” reminds me of the hateful propaganda of Hitler who used loaded words against gays and Catholics and Jews before boarding them on the trains.
 
jimmicheletti said:
I am curious what you think of the insidious creeps who crucified Matthew Shepherd, a gay man, in Wyoming? Sadly, your tone promotes and justifies this kind of hatred. It is antithetical to the Gospel. The few references against homosexuality in the great scope of the bible have to be taken in the context of the worshippers of Baal and pre-Christian feritility rites condoning beastiality, temple prostitution, rape, and even child sacrifice. It also has to be grasped in the context of people struggling to keep their tribes alive and simply bring children into the world.

Ours is a far different time. Most homosexuals lead lives far different from these wanton practices of primitive peoples. Nor do we share the same fear of life ending for want of heterosexuals pairing to mate. Personally I do not condone homosexuality, nor do I condemn homosexuals or fear their “movement.” I think this is the correct read of our catechism. We are, after all, called to love the sinner. “Insidious creeping” reminds me of the hateful propaganda of Hitler who used loaded words against gays and Catholics and Jews before boarding them on the trains.
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Murder is murder. Arrest, trial and incarceration.
 
mattyc4 said:
At least they have the possibility of being allowed to marry.

Matt
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Matt so do Homosexuals (no one said they could not marry)…they just have to marry someone of the opposite sex;) unless you live in MA then you can marry the same sex if you wish.
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
Matt so do Homosexuals (no one said they could not marry)…they just have to marry someone of the opposite sex;) unless you live in MA then you can marry the same sex if you wish.
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That is an absurd argument. That is equivalent to saying:

Everyone can wear jeans, provided they are size 32.

Matt
 
mattyc4 said:
That is an absurd argument. That is equivalent to saying:

Everyone can wear jeans, provided they are size 32.

Matt
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what is absurd is suggesting that marriage is between two people of the same sex;)
 
mattyc4 said:
why is that?
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:confused: Your joking right.
Marriage is between a man and a woman. Marriage is for the procreation of children (can two men/woman produce a child-without outside help)
I also notice you did not respond to anything else I posted, in response.

Matt
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  1. :rolleyes: what are you complaining about it is a right.
  2. :rolleyes: what are you complaining about it is a right.
  3. that was my mistake i read the notation incorrectly. Have no issue as to how the law is.
    • 1 state. 2%. Legislation was blocked for ENDA and Bush would have vetoed it for a hypocritcal reason.* hypocritical? and I am sure that it is more than 1 state.
  5. well if you live in CA you can. and yeah it is a bad thing…who wants their kids being taught that homosexual ACTS are OK??
  6. sure they can…as long as they keep their trap shut “DONT ASK DONT TELL”
  7. marriage is between one man and one woman.
  8. specific please (what dont they have)
  9. 🤷
  10. well in NJ it is the same just called a union instead of a marriage
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
:confused: Your joking right.
Marriage is between a man and a woman. Marriage is for the procreation of children (can two men/woman produce a child-without outside help)
  1. :rolleyes: what are you complaining about it is a right.
  2. :rolleyes: what are you complaining about it is a right.
  3. that was my mistake i read the notation incorrectly. Have no issue as to how the law is.
    • 1 state. 2%. Legislation was blocked for ENDA and Bush would have vetoed it for a hypocritcal reason.* hypocritical? and I am sure that it is more than 1 state.
  5. well if you live in CA you can. and yeah it is a bad thing…who wants their kids being taught that homosexual ACTS are OK??
  6. sure they can…as long as they keep their trap shut “DONT ASK DONT TELL”
  7. marriage is between one man and one woman.
  8. specific please (what dont they have)
  9. 🤷
  10. well in NJ it is the same just called a union instead of a marriage
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1+2) Glad to see you feel sorry for past injustices.
3).
4)Sure, a few other states and even some cities have fair employment practices–so do most moral upstanding companies. Hypocritical because he is using the right of religious freedom to deny basic rights. Why should one trump the other?
5)I would not mind, nor would most parents. It is perfectly natural, it is even seen in nature.
6) Why should they be required to be silent?
7) ROFL:eek:
8) I know they lack a few, but which specific ones I would have to look up when I get time, I’ll get back to you.
9) ha. How does your “shrug” not imply that gays do not have equal rights in most parts of the US.
10) Not the point. Seperate but Equal does not work. It is not called marriage.

SO, marriage is for the purpose of procreation? What about an elderly couple? Should they divorce? What about a woman who is barren? etc

Matt
 
Saying “the article is full of nasty meanness!” isn’t a challenge, it is an opinion at best.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, since I never said any such thing.

John
 
mattyc4 said:
1+2) Glad to see you feel sorry for past injustices.
3).
4)Sure, a few other states and even some cities have fair employment practices–so do most moral upstanding companies. Hypocritical because he is using the right of religious freedom to deny basic rights. Why should one trump the other?
5)I would not mind, nor would most parents. It is perfectly natural, it is even seen in nature.
6) Why should they be required to be silent?
7) ROFL:eek:
8) I know they lack a few, but which specific ones I would have to look up when I get time, I’ll get back to you.
9) ha. How does your “shrug” not imply that gays do not have equal rights in most parts of the US.
10) Not the point. Seperate but Equal does not work. It is not called marriage.

SO, marriage is for the purpose of procreation? What about an elderly couple? Should they divorce? What about a woman who is barren? etc

Matt
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  1. no i think that sodomy should still be illegal.
  2. that one i am glad for.
  3. basic rights? you mean these…right to life and liberty, freedom of thought and expression, and equality before the law.
    5.:eek: think you better retake your poll.
  4. Dont know what does the military say? I am sure that they have a valid reason (sorry not up on military law etc.as I am not in the military)
    7.👍 thats right…one man and one woman 👍 👍 of course unless your in MA.:mad:
  5. ok. thank you for researching.
  6. Because in many cases civil union does equate the same rights as marriage just without the title of marriage…just look at NJ
  7. Why is the word marriage so important? if a civil union can and in many cases give you the same rights as a marriage what does it matter?
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
Since when have gays ever been allowed to marry:bigyikes:
Oh those poor single people, that loose those 1600 rights for not being married what about them?

hey lets list the rights gays do have…
  1. it is no longer illegal to perform sodomy.
  2. it is not longer legal to put someone to death for sodomy
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Two conscenting adults are now allowed to have sex with each other without fear of being imprisioned or facing the death penality. WOW that is mighty generous indeed.
  1. Gays can now legal immigrate to the US.
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The cup just runneth over doesnt it?

Because we all know that a homosexual can/could never contribute to society in any meaningful way.
4.Wisconsin becomes the first state to pass a law prohibiting discrimination against gays and lesbians in employment, housing and public accommodation.
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You mean they wanted to be treated like everyone else?

Was there any reason for the passing of such a law, or was it only because the gays were being “upity”?
5.you can now speak favorably about homosexual acts in schools.
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Can they?
  1. Gays can serve in the military
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You mean that they can fight and die for their country?
  1. gays can get married in MA
  2. the Hawaii legislature passes a law that extends a number of rights and benefits to same-gender couples, calling them reciprocal beneficiaries. Additional laws granting further rights and benefits are passed in 1999
    9.Vermont Supreme Court rules that gay couples must be granted the same benefits and protections awarded married couples of the opposite sex. In 2000, the Vermont legislature enacts a civil unions law.
  3. Gays can have civil unions in many states
    11.A comprehensive domestic partnership statute is passed in Oregon, granting nearly all rights afforded to married couples to same-sex couples. The bill is similar to California’s domestic partnerships.
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This bit is a little more sensible that the rest.
I am sure that there are more rights that gays have…and this is just the tip of the iceberg
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I am sorry but why are you comparing slavery to gay rights?
Two different things…imho.
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Actually they are closer than you think, especally nos. 3, 4 & 6.
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
Since when have gays ever been allowed to marry:bigyikes:
Oh those poor single people, that loose those 1600 rights for not being married what about them?

hey lets list the rights gays do have…
  1. it is no longer illegal to perform sodomy.
  2. it is not longer legal to put someone to death for sodomy
  3. Gays can now legal immigrate to the US.
    4.Wisconsin becomes the first state to pass a law prohibiting discrimination against gays and lesbians in employment, housing and public accommodation.
    5.you can now speak favorably about homosexual acts in schools.
  4. Gays can serve in the military
  5. gays can get married in MA
  6. the Hawaii legislature passes a law that extends a number of rights and benefits to same-gender couples, calling them reciprocal beneficiaries. Additional laws granting further rights and benefits are passed in 1999
    9.Vermont Supreme Court rules that gay couples must be granted the same benefits and protections awarded married couples of the opposite sex. In 2000, the Vermont legislature enacts a civil unions law.
  7. Gays can have civil unions in many states
    11.A comprehensive domestic partnership statute is passed in Oregon, granting nearly all rights afforded to married couples to same-sex couples. The bill is similar to California’s domestic partnerships.
I am sure that there are more rights that gays have…and this is just the tip of the iceberg

I am sorry but why are you comparing slavery to gay rights?
Two different things…imho.
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Wisconsin is not the US. Furthermore, and I think it’s most important: What is the Catholic Church doing to it’s part in being a Good Samaritan with Gay people? I think that is most relevant to us. This is not “Wisconsin Forums”, this is Catholic Forums. What has the Vatican ever done to defend gays? Where was the Vatican when gays have been bashed, killed and kicked around in the last 100 years? I know many Catholics have done a lot, but they’re called “liberals” and “cafeteria Catholics”. I find they’re acting more upon disgust and hatred than love. If you want them to be celibate, that’s great, but what if they don’t want to? Don’t let them participate in the Church, but why kick them out of society? Why “look the other way” or even fight against them when they don’t want to get fired etc?

Homphobe Catholics fail on the supreme Christian commandment, instead of trying to be role models in the one thing that distinguishes Christianity: Love!
Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'
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Where is the Vatican doing this??? Where are those who tear their garment at gays doing this? The Catholics who do love gay people are doing their part for the kingdom of God ALONE.
It is important to note that Samaritans were despised by the story’s target audience, the Jews. The Samaritans were also largely taught by their interpretation of history to hate Jews. -From Wikipedia
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Food for thought.
 
Filius_Prodigus said:
Wisconsin is not the US. 🤷 Furthermore, and I think it’s most important: What is the Catholic Church doing to it’s part in being a Good Samaritan with Gay people? I think that is most relevant to us. This is not “Wisconsin Forums”, this is Catholic Forums. What has the Vatican ever done to defend gays?
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Sorry defend them for what? Being gay, practicing their sexual perversions, allowing them to marry? What should we defend gays on in particular?
As per the CCC. 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
If you want them to be celibate, that’s great, but what if they don’t want to?
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well that is their right…does not mean we have to support that choice and the consequences that go with it!
Homphobe Catholics fail on the supreme Christian commandment, instead of trying to be role models in the one thing that distinguishes Christianity: Love!
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Love does not mean you have to accept or condone the sinful act. Or does it in your eyes?
Here is some food for thought…
couragerc.net/
Courage, an apostolate of the Roman Catholic Church, ministers to those with same-sex attractions and their loved ones. We have been endorsed by the Pontifical Council for the Family and our beloved John Paul II said of this ministry, “COURAGE is doing the work of God!” We also have an outreach called Encourage which ministers to relatives and friends of persons with same-sex attractions.
 
mattyc4 said:
No where in the constitution is there adequate protection for gays. You can still be fired for being gay. You cannot marry. You lose some 1600 rights because of the lack of marriage.

Also interesting to note that homosexuality is NOT a disease. Slavery used to be allowed too. Is Homosexuality a disease? Not according to any accredited source.

I do not know where you are getting your info from, but you seem sadly misinformed.

Matt
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Equating slavery with homosexuality is just plain wrong.

It’s still a sin. And an aberration. Oh, and my information comes from the Bible. Perhaps you’ve heard of it?
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
Equating slavery with homosexuality is just plain wrong.

It’s still a sin. And an aberration. Oh, and my information comes from the Bible. Perhaps you’ve heard of it?
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Oh silly you;) …as long as the bible goes against what they WANT they dont wanna hear about it:mad:
They just want us all to accept what they do as “normal” & “moral”
 
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