The Invisible Crisis: Small Children Crossing the US Border on Their Own

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J_Peterson said:
So Obama was established by God? What does that have to do with these refugees?

Or are you saying that these children are going against God by trying to escape a horrible situation? This thread is getting more and more bizarre. I feel like the ancient aliens guy will pop in to tell us that aliens are involved somewhere.
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Who could fault God for putting someone in place who has done some of best work on getting Catholics to deepen their faith and stand up for the Church. 🤷

I doubt that the children left their homes & families & friends, traveled hundreds of miles (thousands in some cases) through dangerous territory to uncertain fate among strangers without the prodding of adults who have no respect for laws.

All sorts of passages can be pulled out of the Bible to say just about anything. (I do find it interesting the direction that some have interpreted what I posted to mean.) Yes, you must help the poor, but the means by which you carry this out are important. Breaking laws are not just means for attaining a “better” life, neither is encouraging others to break laws.

The means by which these immigrants are dealt with is up for debate. Helping them, by whatever means, is not. It doesn’t have to be an either/or, it can be a both/and.

Would you be okay with me voluntarily quitting my job, then showing up on your doorstep (with all of my stuff & dogs) and expect you to house me, feed me, cloth me and clean up after me? (Please, please say yes, this whole adult thing is way overrated. :p)
 
Dawnia said:
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Who could fault God for putting someone in place who has done some of best work on getting Catholics to deepen their faith and stand up for the Church. 🤷

I doubt that the children left their homes & families & friends, traveled hundreds of miles (thousands in some cases) through dangerous territory to uncertain fate among strangers without the prodding of adults who have no respect for laws.

All sorts of passages can be pulled out of the Bible to say just about anything. (I do find it interesting the direction that some have interpreted what I posted to mean.) Yes, you must help the poor, but the means by which you carry this out are important. Breaking laws are not just means for attaining a “better” life, neither is encouraging others to break laws.

The means by which these immigrants are dealt with is up for debate. Helping them, by whatever means, is not. It doesn’t have to be an either/or, it can be a both/and.

Would you be okay with me voluntarily quitting my job, then showing up on your doorstep (with all of my stuff & dogs) and expect you to house me, feed me, cloth me and clean up after me? (Please, please say yes, this whole adult thing is way overrated. :p)
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I’m coming too.:dancing: I hope you have plenty of shelves because I stopped counting how many books I have after 10,000.:yup:
 
trickster said:
Wow, what a posting. Some of the Catholic commentary is unrecognizable giving me the impression that some of us are only as Catholic as far as our tax dollars and wallets allow. The United States is a very rich country, no reason that there cannot be a comprehensive plan with Latin American countries in Mexico to better the lives of children. The curse of the rich is exactly what is being visited upon the United States…and the solution is in the catechsim, in Scripture and in being our brother’s keeper.

I did not see too much reference to what Pope Francis has been calling for a more just economic system and true comprehensive caring for refugees.

The Republicans held hostage by the extreme views of the tea party are the problem, they have not found the middle ground with the Democrats and Obama to move the US forward…the United States is imploding and it is the ones who are obstructing government that must bare the greater responsibiltiy.

Trickster
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I will echo your exclamation. WOW! It truly is amazing that the power of partisan politics can influence our better judgment and even color our understanding of authentic Catholic social justice principles. The curse of the rich? Really? Could we be any more ill-informed than to condemn the rich just by virtue of their wealth? How envious and berating it all seems and the final judgment upon them of course, is that they do not care one fig for children who sleep on the floor in chain link cages!

Do we see how preposterous this is and to what lengths an enemy will go to deceive? And to those who unwittingly play into their hands by condemning fellow countrymen and judging them as not only deficit in charity, but obstructing government as well? I have no more words.
 
Dawnia said:
Would you be okay with me voluntarily quitting my job, then showing up on your doorstep (with all of my stuff & dogs) and expect you to house me, feed me, cloth me and clean up after me? (Please, please say yes, this whole adult thing is way overrated. :p)
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You appear to be forgetting a couple of things:
  1. The children are fleeing the violence of the drug lords, who are supported by US citizens who buy their drugs. In many American movies, Hollywood glorifies drug use and this is the type of entertainment that Americans are buying. The violence arising from the drug lords was not caused by these children who are now fleeing it. It was caused at least partially by those Americans who are spending billions and billions of dollars on the illegal drug trade. This dirty money goes to support these criminal gangs which are a threat to children in the area, as they try to recruit children to be trained to do their dirty work.
  2. The land of Arizona, New Mexico, California, Nevada and other territories such as Texas were illegally taken from Mexico by the brutal killing of 60,000 Mexican soldiers in the Mexican American war. These Mexican soldiers died defending their country against the American war machine.
 
Tomdstone said:
You appear to be forgetting a couple of things:
  1. The children are fleeing the violence of the drug lords, who are supported by US citizens who buy their drugs. In many American movies, Hollywood glorifies drug use and this is the type of entertainment that Americans are buying. The violence arising from the drug lords was not caused by these children who are now fleeing it. It was caused at least partially by those Americans who are spending billions and billions of dollars on the illegal drug trade. This dirty money goes to support these criminal gangs which are a threat to children in the area, as they try to recruit children to be trained to do their dirty work.
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Maybe you should tell that to the people dumping their kids here. They are under the impression that the US won’t turn children away.
  1. The land of Arizona, New Mexico, California, Nevada and other territories such as Texas were illegally taken from Mexico by the brutal killing of 60,000 Mexican soldiers in the Mexican American war. These Mexican soldiers died defending their country against the American war machine.
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You mean the same land that was illegally taken by the Spanish from the natives?
 
Dawnia said:
Maybe you should tell that to the people dumping their kids here.
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I don’t have to. They already know about the violence and terror from these drug gangs who try to enlist their children to do their dirty work.
It is the Americans who are ultimately responsible for this since they are the ones giving all this money to violent criminals in order to support their addiction to illegal drugs.
 
Tomdstone said:
You appear to be forgetting a couple of things:
  1. The children are fleeing the violence of the drug lords, who are supported by US citizens who buy their drugs. In many American movies, Hollywood glorifies drug use and this is the type of entertainment that Americans are buying. The violence arising from the drug lords was not caused by these children who are now fleeing it. It was caused at least partially by those Americans who are spending billions and billions of dollars on the illegal drug trade. This dirty money goes to support these criminal gangs which are a threat to children in the area, as they try to recruit children to be trained to do their dirty work.
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I promise you I haven’t contributed to that, and I suspect no one on this thread has. In fact you may be glad to learn that in our desire to end this scourge we have actually outlawed illegal drugs. (Hence the name) 🙂
Tomdstone said:
  1. The land of Arizona, New Mexico, California, Nevada and other territories such as Texas were illegally taken from Mexico by the brutal killing of 60,000 Mexican soldiers in the Mexican American war. These Mexican soldiers died defending their country against the American war machine.
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I’m not going to dispute this point after all if we accept that the Texans and the American colonies had the right to secede we must surely say the same about the south in the 1860’s. We can therefore be sure that we took it illigally by force and restitution must be made, so I propose we follow the steps outlined in the following video to see to it that Justice is done: youtube.com/watch?v=xv7pu_YZCrg

Lets get people out there to sign petitions.
 
Seraphignatius said:
I promise you I haven’t contributed to that, and I suspect no one on this thread has. In fact you may be glad to learn that in our desire to end this scourge we have actually outlawed illegal drugs. (Hence the name)
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But are the laws enforced fairly and are they effective? In fact, I believe that the Americans have elected a President who himself says that he used illegal drugs, such as cocaine. And no one has arrested him for doing so. If cocaine is illegal, how come he is not in jail for using it? How many other Americans have been buying these illegal drugs and supporting these criminal drug cartels which are now trying to recruit children? Don’t Americans have some responsibility for supporting these violent criminal gangs which are preying on children? And don’t Americans support entertainment which glorifies drug use?
Americans are at least partially responsible for the horrific situation that these children find themselves in, and so they should meet their responsibility to provide for their welfare.
 
Tomdstone said:
I don’t have to. They already know about the violence and terror from these drug gangs who try to enlist their children to do their dirty work.
It is the Americans who are ultimately responsible for this since they are the ones giving all this money to violent criminals in order to support their addiction to illegal drugs.
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This violence has been going on for DECADES. There is nothing special about this year other than the rumors floating around that the US borders are open to children.
 
Dawnia said:
This violence has been going on for DECADES.
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And why doesn’t the USA do something about it? It couldn’t be because there is so much profit in the illegal drug trade, could it? Why is America so lenient on those in high places who admit to having used cocaine? Why do Americans enjoy so much entertainment which glorifies and encourages drug use?
 
Tomdstone said:
And why doesn’t the USA do something about it? It couldn’t be because there is so much profit in the illegal drug trade, could it? Why is America so lenient on those in high places who admit to having used cocaine? Why do Americans enjoy so much entertainment which glorifies and encourages drug use?
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Let me tell you about this awesome tool I discovered online. It’s called Google. It lets you find out facts and information, like all the money and resources that US spends to help other countries battle the drug trade. And how much time and money the US has put into punishing drug offenders here in the US. It’s amazing. You should really check it out.
 
Dawnia said:
Let me tell you about this awesome tool I discovered online. It’s called Google. It lets you find out facts and information, like all the money and resources that US spends to help other countries battle the drug trade. And how much time and money the US has put into punishing drug offenders here in the US. It’s amazing. You should really check it out.
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Are you sure that all this money spent against the illegal drug trade is effective in controlling the insatiable American appetite for illegal drugs? If the USA is so good at punishing illegal drug offenders, how come we have such high level Americans admitting to using illegal drugs?
This problem with children being terrorized and victimized by drug lords is in part due to the enormous use of illegal drugs in America today.
 
I wonder if Trickster pays taxes or estimated taxes. Do you know how hard people work in this country? We already pay enough taxes.
Are americans supposed to support the whole world?
We already give billions in foreign aide. Most americans under the obam a administration are living paycheck to paycheck. Many have lost their homes in the real estate recession and have also lost their retirement.
We americans don’t have money trees growing in our backyards.

Americans ARE charitable!! AMERICANS DO HELP THE POOR AND NEEDY! Please don’t use scripture to make us feel guilty.

There is charity and their is abuse of charity.

We have borders for a reason and we have immigration laws for a reason. The american government is failing its citizens.
 
Tomdstone said:
Americans are at least partially responsible for the horrific situation that these children find themselves in, and so they should meet their responsibility to provide for their welfare.
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Then we should make a public apology and truly promise not to involve ourselves in others business. We are not responsible for the life people choose to live. They are responsible for their own back-yard. I know its bad I get that, but why is it bad? Its bad for the same reason its bad in the USA, because we cooperate with and accept this even if its by remaining silent out of fear. We even enable this by refusing to speak up.

You give courage by standing up for yourself, and thats regardless of win or loss. Its the message that counts, and that message inspires and permeates just like the strident clamor of evil does.

Had we been concentrating on our country, then perhaps really helping these children would indeed be possible, and no-one doesn’t want to help these kids world wide. No-one I associate with anyway. But to what avail, to assure our own demise and descent into further poverty. While we take care of the world we ignore our own home. What about our 51% who are lost, living in poverty and on welfare, foodstamps and taking to streets in rebellion. No work, education isn’t producing productive employment because there is none. We went from building a country and military to playing world police and neglecting building our country. This can’t be sustained and its simply a matter of time.
 
Dawnia said:
There is nothing special about this year other than the rumors floating around that the US borders are open to children.
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The rumors must be wrong because according to the President of the USA, the borders are more secure than ever:
“We strengthened security at the borders so that we could finally stem the tide of illegal immigrants.” Obama said, “We put more boots on the ground on the southern border than at any time in our history. And today, illegal crossings are down nearly 80% from their peak in 2000.”
whitehouse.gov/issues/immigration/border-security
 
Tigg said:
I will echo your exclamation. WOW! It truly is amazing that the power of partisan politics can influence our better judgment and even color our understanding of authentic Catholic social justice principles. The curse of the rich? Really? Could we be any more ill-informed than to condemn the rich just by virtue of their wealth? How envious and berating it all seems and the final judgment upon them of course, is that they do not care one fig for children who sleep on the floor in chain link cages!

Do we see how preposterous this is and to what lengths an enemy will go to deceive? And to those who unwittingly play into their hands by condemning fellow countrymen and judging them as not only deficit in charity, but obstructing government as well? I have no more words.
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Pope Francis has called for a more equitable distribution of wealth. Francis and the last two Popes have specifically called for wealthy countries to aid developing ones.

We are our brothers keeper.
No man is an island.
 
ringil said:
Pope Francis has called for a more equitable distribution of wealth. Francis and the last two Popes have specifically called for wealthy countries to aid developing ones.

We are our brothers keeper.
No man is an island.
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Do you know how much our country gives in foreign aide every year?
I believe the United States is a great benefactor to many poor countries. No one can say that americans or our government do not care about the poor. Many americans donate through their churches as well.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Do you know how much our country gives in foreign aide every year?
I believe the United States is a great benefactor to many poor countries. No one can say that americans or our government do not care about the poor. Many americans donate through their churches as well.
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So maybe the Popes were excluding the US in their comments because we are already “doing enough”.

Is that it?
 
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