The Jews back in the land of Israel is ordained by God.

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Lev23 said:
Here are a few points I made on this topic in another thread.

The God of Israel is always calling the Jews back to him. Especially now since Jews from all over the world can come up from their graves(nations) and come back into the land. This is what Ezekiel 36 and 37 spells out. This is not talking about the Jews return from Babylon, for the remnant, that is God’s faithful remnant of Israel longed to come back to Israel to rebuild Jerusalem, etc. And they did. The House of Israel in Ezekiel 36 and 37 are described as dry, dead bones with no life, and most importantly, no spirit within them.

But St.Paul teaches God always has a faithful remnant of Israel. This remnant is now the Church, the bride of Jesus Christ, who now can stand in victory and rest because all promises of Israel are in Jesus Christ. AMEN!

So the House of Israel described in Ezekiel 36 is Israel outside the Church. We know the remnant of Israel(Church) is not a part of this because notice how God tells Israel in **verse 31 and 32-
Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign LORD. Be ashamed and disgraced for your conduct, O house of Israel! **

Face it, this Israel in the land today, no matter how political, secular, and man-made it seems to you or the world, is ordained by God. I bet both dispersions of Israel looked man-made.

I would much rather tell a Jew their God is allowing them back into their land(like prophecy foretells will happen) then saying God is not. By telling them not to bother going back into the land and that the land is “Palestine”, is aiding them in their unbelief.

The Jews today are called out of all nations, in their disbelief, to come back into the land for one purpose only, to repent and turn back to God the way he wants to be known, that is by his only Son, the Jews Messiah, Jesus Christ. We know from prophecy this is the ultimate outcome of the Jews coming back into the land! So the Church right now is in a wonderful and unique time in Her history, where Her eschalogical brethern, the Jews are back in the land and still coming!!! What wonderful works for the Lord he has laid out for us to do unto his brethern, Israel! Let all Christ’s Church be faithful and preach Jesus Christ and him crucified!

:gopray: :gopray2:
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If you’re talking about the vision of the dry bones, that’s about three things: The Jews’ return from exile, the resurrection of the dead, and Jesus’ mission.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
Why don’t the Jews come to the US and make a life for themselves here. Actually, the dirty secret is many have already: Jewish emigration from Palestine has been constant and steady.

Accept the way of the world: does that include partial birth abortion, euthanasia,…?
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I’m surprised you didn’t provide a little chart or at least some vague numbers of all the Jews leaving the land of Israel on a “constant and steady” basis. I’m sure they are out there, anti-Zionists need every bit of information they can get their mits on.

This is still no arguement against what God is doing in the land of Israel today for his people. For ever since he lead them by the hand out of Egypt up until now, there have always been those who rather “go back to Egypt” than to take their inheritence and follow Gods way.

Yup, and I said the land is named Israel, not Palestine.
 
7_Sorrows said:
i don’t think you can compare the creation of the state of israel to abortion and euthanasia.

yes, many jewish people already live in the united states and make wonderful contributions here. just as many arabs live here and make wonderful contributions and many iranians as well.

however, there is a country named israel that was created there 60 years ago and if they choose to live there, the home of their ancestors, they can.

and there is syria, lebanon, yemen, saudi arabia, iran, iraq,
jordan, and egypt where arabs who do not want to live in the united states, canada or europe can live.
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And there is Palestine where Palestinians (not all Arab, and not all Muslim, btw) who want to live in the land that THEY were BORN can…wait, I guess they can’t live there.

The Palestinians said the same things 60 years ago. What is the lesson? It’s yours, whether you have title or not, if you can hold it long enough.

Oh, and btw not everyon in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan and Egypt are Arab, or Muslim.

And Iran is not even Arab.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
And there is Palestine where Palestinians (not all Arab, and not all Muslim, btw) who want to live in the land that THEY were BORN can…wait, I guess they can’t live there.

The Palestinians said the same things 60 years ago. What is the lesson? It’s yours, whether you have title or not, if you can hold it long enough.

Oh, and btw not everyon in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan and Egypt are Arab, or Muslim.

And Iran is not even Arab.
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They are Persian, baby!

Isa, Do you not agree that a lot of the issue between the Arab states and Israel is trying to get rid of the Palestinians?
 
yes, i know that people in iran are not arabs. i just didn’t want to take the time to put in they were persians and speak farsi as i have already stated that point in another post.

what can i say isa? i don’t think you realize how you have fallen for all of the propaganda that keeps you focused on israel so you don’t see what the real problems are in your own culture.

why focus on yourselves and your own mistakes when it is easier to blame others for your problems?

it is kind of like in this country. they portray the immigrants from mexico mainly to be the cause of so many problems, but that is a scapegoat. the problems were here before the illegal immigrant came here. they only magnified the problem.

you had problems in your culture before the state of israel was created, but it is much easier to blame israel and the united states than to admit there is something wrong with your religion and your culture. i am not saying that islam is wrong, but it needs to be reformed perhaps.
 
7_Sorrows said:
yes, i know that people in iran are not arabs. i just didn’t want to take the time to put in they were persians and speak farsi as i have already stated that point in another post.
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Then why did you add it to the list, as the Palestinians don’t speak Persian (at least not in any great number anymore. In Ottoman times it was different).
what can i say isa? i don’t think you realize how you have fallen for all of the propaganda that keeps you focused on israel so you don’t see what the real problems are in your own culture.
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A rather bold statement as you know NOTHING about me.
For one, because of my the Jewish family of my maternal grandmother, I know a bit about the other side, particularly as many claim “oh, so you are really a Jew.”
why focus on yourselves and your own mistakes when it is easier to blame others for your problems?
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Can I quote you? It seems our Muslim posters think I hate Islam.
it is kind of like in this country. they portray the immigrants from mexico mainly to be the cause of so many problems, but that is a scapegoat. the problems were here before the illegal immigrant came here. they only magnified the problem.
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Btw, I have Mexican cousins.
And illigal immigration (from all sources) has contributed to all sorts of problems in the US (where, btw, I am also located, and where I was born). But they have created a number all on their own.
you had problems in your culture before the state of israel was created, but it is much easier to blame israel and the united states
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where I vote
than to admit there is something wrong with your religion
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you mean Christianity?
and your culture. i am not saying that islam is wrong,
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It denies the Trinity, Incarnation and Resurrection. It’s wrong.
but it needs to be reformed perhaps.
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And of course reforming Islam, solving “our” problems etc. is going to make us embrace Zionism.
 
ralphinal said:
Do you think that this is a sign that the end is near?

Will rebuilding the temple speed the end of the world?
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Yes I do. How near? I don’t know. Nobody knows how many seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, or years are left. I do know that they will never be dispersed from the land again.

No, rebuilding the Temple or pushing as many reluctant Jews as we can into planes and into Israel will not and can not “speed up” or rush God into bringing in the day of the Lord.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
Then why did you add it to the list, as the Palestinians don’t speak Persian (at least not in any great number anymore. In Ottoman times it was different).

A rather bold statement as you know NOTHING about me.
For one, because of my the Jewish family of my maternal grandmother, I know a bit about the other side, particularly as many claim “oh, so you are really a Jew.”

Can I quote you? It seems our Muslim posters think I hate Islam.

Btw, I have Mexican cousins.
And illigal immigration (from all sources) has contributed to all sorts of problems in the US (where, btw, I am also located, and where I was born). But they have created a number all on their own.

where I vote

you mean Christianity?

It denies the Trinity, Incarnation and Resurrection. It’s wrong.

And of course reforming Islam, solving “our” problems etc. is going to make us embrace Zionism.
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you seem more of a muslim than christian in your posts.
 
Lev23 said:
Yes I do. How near? I don’t know. Nobody knows how many seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, or years are left. I do know that they will never be dispersed from the land again.

No, rebuilding the Temple or pushing as many reluctant Jews as we can into planes and into Israel will not and can not “speed up” or rush God into bringing in the day of the Lord.
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Well, we agree on that.
 
7_Sorrows said:
you seem more of a muslim than christian in your posts.
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Because I’m not a Zionist? Or that one shouldn’t pay for the sins of others? Or that I think Christian Zionism is a heresy? Or the Temple of brick is torn down, never to be rebuilt, as the Temple of His Body is risen, never to fall again?
 
Isa_Almisry said:
Because I’m not a Zionist? Or that one shouldn’t pay for the sins of others? Or that I think Christian Zionism is a heresy? Or the Temple of brick is torn down, never to be rebuilt, as the Temple of His Body is risen, never to fall again?
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where is the brotherly love isa?
 
Yes i have also heard about the jews back in the land of Israeli but it is the story of there success. Your post reminds me of one more post which i have seen at succcess.org/ there also it was telling about the victory of jews.
 
LtTony said:
I understood the Church teaches that the secular state of Israel has nothing to do with the Biblical re-establishment of Israel.

Why do you think this is sad?
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This is very sad, because this how the unbelieving world wants the Church to view Israel. The world cares nothing about God’s prophetic word, and the fact is in the last days he will start the process of Israel’s restoration by allowing them, by his Grace to come back into the land of Israel. The fact that the people there are led by a secular government is another proof this is of God. The people in Israel will never find true peace among the nations around them with a secular government now that they are back in the land. They did not find peace dispersed among the nations without their Messiah Jesus, nor will they find peace in the land of Israel without accepting Jesus as Messiah. Ultimately, they will have to look for and call out for their God to save them from the nations that seek to destroy them one more time. And this work of destroying Israel is at work right now.

I believe the Church, without violence, should be telling all nations that these Jews are back in the land by Gods Grace to repent and turn to God the way he wants to be sought after, by his only Son, Jesus Christ. And also tell that all should take notice of how the one, true God’s prophetic word has to be heeded.
 
Lev23 said:
This is very sad, because this how the unbelieving world wants the Church to view Israel. The world cares nothing about God’s prophetic word, and the fact is in the last days he will start the process of Israel’s restoration by allowing them, by his Grace to come back into the land of Israel. The fact that the people there are led by a secular government is another proof this is of God. The people in Israel will never find true peace among the nations around them with a secular government now that they are back in the land. They did not find peace dispersed among the nations without their Messiah Jesus, nor will they find peace in the land of Israel without accepting Jesus as Messiah. Ultimately, they will have to look for and call out for their God to save them from the nations that seek to destroy them one more time. And this work of destroying Israel is at work right now.

I believe the Church, without violence, should be telling all nations that these Jews are back in the land by Gods Grace to repent and turn to God the way he wants to be sought after, by his only Son, Jesus Christ. And also tell that all should take notice of how the one, true God’s prophetic word has to be heeded.
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God’s Prophetic word,

Or some innovative interpretation thereof?

Can you point to anyone who so interpreted before the 19th century?
 
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