The Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise Scientology "wedding"

[Liberalsaved]

Katie Holmes was raised a Catholic, went to an All Girls School, and was actually engaged to another actor (Chris Klein?) and then suddenly breaks up with him and goes out with Tom Cruise, has sex with him, gets pregnant…she’s been brainwashed.

Pray for her soul. She needs it. And poor little Suri. She won’t ever know the joy of learning about Jesus.

But maybe the marriage WILL fail…Tom Cruise has had two failed marriages…he must have been desperate.

By the way, his first wife…was she Catholic? He seems to be going after the Catholics in Hollywood…Nicole…now Katie.

Most things I can take, but this post makes me ill. How do you know Chris Klein was any saner than you think Cruise is? Maybe he has a secret Wiccan shrine in his basement. You don’t really know anything about these people.

 

[Liberalsaved]

It won’t matter anyway because it probably won’t last more than a few months!

These Hollywood weddings make me sick!

I’d hazard a guess that the divorce rate among celeb couples is no higher than that among non-celebs. You only hear about the famous people.

 

[T1Catholic]

I’d hazard a guess that the divorce rate among celeb couples is no higher than that among non-celebs. You only hear about the famous people.

Actually there was a stat somewhere on a celebrity blog that I visit (but can’t find it) and celeb couples do in fact have a higher divorce rate and get divorced after not being married as long. I’ll keep looking to see if I can find it.

 

[T1Catholic]

I dont believe it unless its Katie saying it. That Tom Cruise is not credible.

I’m wondering if you actually follow the celebrity news - yes I’m embarrassed to say that I do and have been since I was a little girl (it’s an addiction I can’t seem to break-help!). I read multiple blogs daily, especially the ones that always break celebrity scandals before they are in the mainstream news (perezhilton and laineygossip) as well as the traditional entertainment publications. I also was a Katie Holmes fan before she met Tom Cruise and when she was with Chris Klien (and even before that). All indications are that after she got hooked up with Tom Cruise, she changed dramatically. He started speaking for her and it was big news that she actually spoke in the Vanity Fair article on them. He also started calling her Kate saying that “Katie” was not the name for a child-bearing woman (tell that to Katie Couric!). Anyway, both perezhilton and laineygossip are not talking about TomKat anymore because they both claim it’s soooo boring. So I think I’ll get off the topic too. Now on to what kind of mother Brittany Spears it turning out to be now that she’s always on the town with Paris Hilton!

HOLLYWOOD - Actress Katie Holmes has changed more than just her religion since she started dating Tom Cruise last year–she’s now altered her first name.
Despite her strict Catholic upbringing, the former Dawson’s Creek beauty converted to Scientology when she began her relationship with the Top Gun heartthrob, and will bring up their baby daughter, Suri, in the controversial religion.

After discussing the issue with Cruise, Holmes has decided her Christian name, ‘Katie,’ sounds too young for a 27-year-old and is now known to friends and family as ‘Kate.’

Cruise explains, "Katie is a young girl’s name.

“Her name is Kate now; she’s a child-bearing woman.”

Article Copyright World Entertainment News Network All Rights Reserved.

 

[jediliz]

I think Tom Cruise is a selfish jerk. He just wants a woman to give him a load of children. I seriously doubt he LOVES Katie. He just wanted a woman who could give him biological children. He and Nicole Kidman couldn’t have children (Though I heard a rumor that Nicole may have had a miscarriage and that’s what lead to the divorce? Just a rumor though).

My point was that Tom Cruise is a 41 year old man. He married a 27 year old.

He also insulted Brooke Shields saying that Post Partum Depression doesn’t exist and you can fend it off by “exercise and vitamins”…

Scientology is a CULT.

 

[Viki59]

I heard Mr. Cruise say that you can be Catholic and a Scientologist.

I don’t see why not . . .just as you could be a Catholic and believe in UFOs . . .I guess. Maybe not.

Anyway, we should pray for them to return to their faith.

 

[ThisOne]

What a sick joke, that traditional white dress and all. How a parent can support a child who is committing spiritual suicide, I will never understand. It’s not support; it’s the parent saying to the daughter (and to God), “You are more important than God to me.”

 

[Zooey]

Cruise was baptized Catholic and is… a heretic now.
I dont know if Mimi was or not…

Tom Cruise has had two failed marriages…he must have been desperate.

By the way, his first wife…was she Catholic?

Mimi Rogers is a second generation Scientologist.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

What a sick joke, that traditional white dress and all. How a parent can support a child who is committing spiritual suicide, I will never understand. It’s not support; it’s the parent saying to the daughter (and to God), “You are more important than God to me.”

You mean three white dresses. I don’t have a problem with the white. According to Miss Manners (Guide for the Turn-of-the- Millennium):

Whether the bride has been living with her fiance for six years, or has merely parked out front with him all night, or has been courted by correspondence, the traditional white dress and veil are customarity associated with a first wedding, and all snickering about prior private activities is forbidden.

I do have a small problem with so many costume changes. If you are wearing more than one dress at your wedding, you have officially spent too much money.

 

[kellyb32]

I have some questions…maybe they can’t be answered here but Tom and Katie’s situation is a famous example that can be used…

Children come from God, right?
Why would God allow a child to be conceived in sin, or knowing that the child will be murdered in the womb?

We are instruments used to bring forth life but conception comes from God alone.

I don’t understand why God allows beautiful babies to come into such situations. Yes we all sin, yes we can all come to repentance, but like one poster said, baby Suri won’t really have the joy of knowing Jesus growing up (unless of course Katie allows the baby to spend a lot of time with her family and they teach the baby…only to be sent home to daddy Tom, who’ll “de-program” her probably). But that also brings up why does God allow children to be born in areas where there is no TV or radio to hear the Gospel message, or missionaries who haven’t reached that area of the world…Why does God create life when they don’t know or won’t know His Son? There are plenty of people over the last 2000 years who died in this world who had no knowledge of Christ. I just don’t understand why God would give life to people only to have them completely void of Christ…

{{sigh}}}

I guess these are just questions that we really won’t know the answer to here since we aren’t omnipotent and omniscent…

Just thought I’d ask anyway because Tom and Katie’s lives are just plastered all over and that beautiful baby in all her glorious innocence is just another victim of the sin of the world.

 

[Woodstock]

It has been well documented that Katie has a spy entourage from Scientology Central and has been blocked from open communication with her childhood friends or family throughout their relationship. Her parents might be attending the wedding on the advice of spiritual directors and cult exit counselors as one way to stay active in her life, no matter how censored or limited that role is. The church does not forbid them from doing so and it seems a prudent thing to do, both for their daughter and their granddaughter, considering their circumstances.

 

[ThisOne]

I didn’t know Christ until I was 35 years old. Many don’t ever hear the gospel, but that is far from meaning that God has no love for them or that they cannot be saved. The moral law is written on the hearts of all people, and those who do not hear the gospel are not adrift without help.

Read C.S. Lewis’ The Problem of Pain. It will address your question of why God allows things.

 

[cathgal]

I have some questions…maybe they can’t be answered here but Tom and Katie’s situation is a famous example that can be used…

Children come from God, right?
Why would God allow a child to be conceived in sin, or knowing that the child will be murdered in the womb?

We are instruments used to bring forth life but conception comes from God alone.

I don’t understand why God allows beautiful babies to come into such situations. Yes we all sin, yes we can all come to repentance, but like one poster said, baby Suri won’t really have the joy of knowing Jesus growing up (unless of course Katie allows the baby to spend a lot of time with her family and they teach the baby…only to be sent home to daddy Tom, who’ll “de-program” her probably). But that also brings up why does God allow children to be born in areas where there is no TV or radio to hear the Gospel message, or missionaries who haven’t reached that area of the world…Why does God create life when they don’t know or won’t know His Son? There are plenty of people over the last 2000 years who died in this world who had no knowledge of Christ. I just don’t understand why God would give life to people only to have them completely void of Christ…

{{sigh}}}

I guess these are just questions that we really won’t know the answer to here since we aren’t omnipotent and omniscent…

Just thought I’d ask anyway because Tom and Katie’s lives are just plastered all over and that beautiful baby in all her glorious innocence is just another victim of the sin of the world.

Conception happens because a sperm and an egg meet, regardless of where, when, and why. So God has to provide a soul for a new creation. That’s His job.
But a couple can choose where, when and why it happens.
See it this way. If God stops all evil from happening, then there wouldn’t be such a thing as free will, now would there? Good things just happen automatically, every time. The world would be perfect.

 

[lizaanne]

My point was that Tom Cruise is a 41 year old man. He married a 27 year old.

What in the world does that have to do with anything? They are both adults. I’m 41 and my husband is 29. I don’t see how age is relevant to this discussion.

And on another point, made by someone else regarding why does God allow babies to be born - it’s because, regardless of our beginings, we all have the ability to choose Him. We all have the ability to also choose evil. Just because someone is born to poor or unfortunate circumstances does not mean they will have an equally horrible life that is not worth living. That would mean there is no hope in the world.

Even a child of rape or incest is still a human being capable of wonderful and amazing things. To deny them the opportunity to become that wonderful and amazing person would be to commit such a sadness as to make the angels cry, for even they do not have such opportunities to please God as we do.

~Liza

 

[Eileen_T]

Well I’m very glad my parents attended our wedding when I married outside the church and my dad gave me away. They also attended our convalidation ceremony 13 years later. Even though they disapproved (and I knew they did) they were wise enough to know I had to make my own choices. I would have married my husband when I did regardless if my parents attended or not.
They didn’t love what I was doing but they loved me.

Sometimes things happen in Gods time instead of how we would want it to be.

I was taught that we must put God first, before our children, spouse, parents or friends. That is what I taught my children also. It is up to me to live up to that.

One Scripture passage that helped me put God and family in perspective is 2 Machabees Chapter 7 where the mother not only had to watch while her 7 sons were martyred horribly, she told the youngest who was the last to die:

"My son, have pity upon me, that bore thee nine months my womb, and save thee suck years, and nourished thee, and brought thee up unto this age. I beseech thee, my son, look upon heaven and earth, and all that is in them: and consider that God made them out of nothing, and mankind also: So thou shalt not fear this tormentor, but being made a worthy partner with thy brethren, receive death, that in that mercy I may receive thee again with thy brethren."

My son plans to marry next year. Knowing that I would not otherwise attend his wedding, he has contacted a priest and he and his fiancee (who “sort-of” believes in Jesus) are going to attend a pre-marital course and marry in the Church.

This is the son who once asked “How we know the Catholic Church is the true Church, maybe the Rastafarians are the true church?” I suspect that they will also go through instruction to have their baby baptised once the priest starts talking to them.

 

[kellyb32]

Conception happens because a sperm and an egg meet, regardless of where, when, and why. So God has to provide a soul for a new creation. That’s His job.
But a couple can choose where, when and why it happens.
See it this way. If God stops all evil from happening, then there wouldn’t be such a thing as free will, now would there? Good things just happen automatically, every time. The world would be perfect.

Yes, but how many times can one have relations under any circumstance and no conception happens. Why is there infertility in some people when there is no physical explaination why (like what happened to me). Both DH and I were physically, hormonally, and otherwise able to have a child but couldn’t, even with infertility treatments. Only after years of trying did we stop seeking medical help and FINALLY offered it up to Christ completely trusting that if God wanted us to have another child He’d allow it to happen. We were at peace no matter what happened. God did bless us 3 more times in the last 5 years.

I guess I’m just saying that we are the instruments to bring forth life but just because a man and woman join together, a sperm and egg don’t always come together until God sees fit for it to happen. You rightly said that a soul can only come from God alone but I believe it happens at the exact moment that the sperm and egg join, not once the cells begin to divide or there is a heart beat. So God creates the life no matter where, when and why.

Free will is a gift from God. When we abuse it is why I wonder how God allows the innocent to suffer for our free will to sin. That’s all I’m asking.

Perhaps one day their child will turn away from scientolgy and come to the Catholic Faith. But it is very difficult to come out of a cult when you’ve been ingrained with their beliefs from birth. The bible says to train up a child in the way they should go so when they are old they will not depart from it. Maybe I’m misinterpreting this passage but if a child isn’t brought up to know Christ from birth, wouldn’t it be more difficult for them to come to the saving knowledge of Christ? Not impossible, but more difficult, at least IMO.

To answer another poster, I have not read the Problem of Pain by Lewis. I’ve read many of his other books but not that one yet. Thank you for the recommendation.