Did you seriously just compare the mass which has produced countless saints throughout the ages to gnostic and occult ritual?!
Br JR, does this mean we need to toss all our EF handmissals for good?
Not yet. He didn’t use the word “soon”. If he used the word “soon”, you’d be able to toss out your hand missals in 40 years or so
I wouldn’t do anything until the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship says something. One of the Trad sites had an article that there is something ready for 2013, but I have not seen anything about it anywhere else. I’m not sure where they got their information.
Thank you for the reference to the parable of the invited guests.
Now, now. Two hours from Arlington Co. and two hours outside the diocese are completely different!HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!! What do you mean “wilderness”? I was born and raised 2 hours away from Arlington. That’s God’s country out there. Wilderness!!! :dts:
Fraternally,
Br. JR, FFV
I don’t think that the 1962 missal is going anywhere, or that there will be a merger or hybrid. Summorum Pontificum expressly allowed for the use of the 1962 missal, as promulgated by Bl. John XXlll.
A great reminder Tim. Thanks for sharing the story about the orphanage - I am all teary-eyed now!
The motto of the story is that if you focus on what’s before you and you attend to it with great love and without demands, you’re going to be noticed and respected. I can make of list of such people: Benedict, Augustine, Francis, Vincent de Paul, Francis de Sales, Teresa of Avila, Therese the Little Flower, Padre Pio and Mother Teresa of Calcutta. These names ae almost household words in Catholic culture. None of them was ever aware of it, because they were focussed on what was in front of them today, not looking ahead 20 years into the future or looking around at what everyone else was doing or not doing.
With Eastern Catholicism it is a bit different. They do tend to be more ethnic because that is the model of evangelization in the East. The faith is always localized where a Church takes root. The problem is that the Byzantine faith was brought to North America not by missionaries like Sts. Cyril and Methodius, but by immigrants. When they got here they didn’t find a Byzantine rite Church, thus they brought their own priests to serve their ethnic group.
This implies either a hostility to a valid form of the Mass or a declaration of potential disobedience that no Catholic should have. If the Pope decreed tomorrow that Masses will be in Latin, one should still attend the Sacrifice being offered. There are those thousands of people who died mayrters who dreamed of attending something you are declaring is not sufficient for you. It is just as bad is declaring the NO invalid.
Here you are declaring a huge part of history and Church teaching as wrong. You might prefer the Mass in your language, you might even hold the opinion that Mass is better for YOU in your own language but you should not declare that which the Church will not declare.
If you really cannot understand that then you need to open your mind and educate yourself on Catholic theology.
To be fair Moore, we have people on this very forum who say they will never attend the Ordinary Form and other such things.
I think you’re reading too much into the statement. I didn’t get either of yoru conclusions from her states. If I said, “I will never attend a Korean Mass”, does it mean I am hostile to the OF Mass?
That is true IF that scenario were to happen. But let us stick with reality, people doesn’t have to like the Latin Mass and they can choose not to attend it if they do not like to. There is nothing wrong with that and we shouldn’t make conclusions out of thin air.
Don’t forget a good chunk of history also has the faith being preached in the language of where it is preached, including the celebration of Liturgy in the local language. St. Paul did it a lot. St. Thomas also, the Churches he established in the Far East (all the way to India) never knew Latin nor Greek.
True. I would say though that there are contexts for which a Mass in Latin (note my wording, as this can mean an ordinary form Mass in Latin…) is useful. I think of the aforementioned World Oblate’s Congress and similar international gatherings… With representatives from around the world it’s simply too difficult to accommodate every linguistic group.
Not even watch the Pope say the Mass, where he’s using more and more Latin?
OF or EF, there are many on this forum who wouldn’t attend anything but something in English.
Again, there are people on these fora who say thy would never attend the OF Mass, to the point where they would stay at home on a Sunday if no EF is available, even if the OF is readily available (meaning they would rather commit the grave sin of not meeting their Sunday obligation than forego the EF). The poster hasn’t quite gone that far.
The Benedictines are also very unique as they don’t truly form one order. There are many congregations and houses within them. It would be difficult for them to have an official language.
That would be silly. If one attends a WYD the mass is always in Latin and the homily is in the host language.
I don’t think that he’s using more Latin than his predecessors. Maybe we’re paying closer attention or maybe because more masses are not on TV. But Paul VI celebrated mass in Latin when he came to the USA. John Paul II always celebrated mass in Latin as does Benedict XVI. The readings are in modern languages.
I’m not sure that they are subjectively culpable of grave sin. We can’t judge an individual’s degree of culpability without speaking with him or her. However, objectively, this kind of behavior reduces the significance of Christ’s sacrifice to rubrics and form. That can certainly be a sign of ignorance.