The left and family separations

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Maximilian75 said:
Not accepting a child’s false and unhealthy gender identity and true abuse are very different things
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Psychological and emotional abuse can be just as destructive as physical abuse. And the Canadian law is not just about Transgender people, either. A lot of gay men and lesbians were gender non-conforming to some extent as children, so the law applies to them as well. Parents who try to punish or suppress such gender non-conformity are being abusive in my opinion. I was reading an article recently which mentioned one female child whose parents tried to force her against her will to wear dresses. That seems kind of abusive to me.
 
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What constitutes true abuse is subjective. Furthermore in my experience, what’s unhealthy is when children are denied what they want to be. There’s usually a reason they want to be transgender, and there’s a solid science behind the whole thing. Intolerance of these people usually comes from a lack of understanding, which makes sense since they are <2% of the population…but we should make an effort to understand them, that’s the Christian way. Now, as for this law, I just don’t know…but I do believe, if I knew the parents, as individuals, I would tell them to try to be understanding.
 
John1956 said:
Do you think it’s a good thing to try and lessen dependency on government?
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If the goal is to lessen dependency on government, it should apply not only to poor people but also to corporations. There’s a lot of corporate welfare that get’s doled out by the government as well.

And some things should be guaranteed for everyone, in my opinion. I think that everyone in our society should have access to regular, basic healthcare, whether they’re rich or poor, working or not working. That’s why I don’t support the efforts by some states to require people to work in order to receive Medicaid, for example.

And people who are dependent need to have some options once the help they’re getting from the government is removed. If an able bodied person is required to work to receive some benefits, but there are no jobs near where they live and there is inadequate public transportation that prevents them from getting to a job some place further away, that seems a little unfair. And you can’t just expect someone without resources to move away to some place else that has jobs. It costs money to move and a down payment to rent, etc. If a mother is required to work to receive some benefits, but there is no affordable childcare available to her, that seems unreasonable.
 
help1 said:
and there’s a solid science behind the whole thing.
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I call this into question. Whenever politics is involved “science” gets political. Simple as that…And several CAF users following the field of psychology over the decades have pointed this out.
help1 said:
There’s usually a reason they want to be transgender
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Lust, disordered desire, and a disordered self identity is among it.

Hey @help1 let me ask you a question: How about those kids barely 18 that underwent gender reassignment and latter regret it? The procedure is irreversible…We should ask them foremost what was going through their minds and what influences they were subjected to.
 
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adgloriam said:
I call this into question. Whenever politics is involved “science” gets political. Simple as that…And several CAF users following the field of psychology over the decades have pointed this out.
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What would they know about it? Are we to distrust scientists now? Are they all in some big conspiracy? Any person can get their brain scanned. I have a hard time believing every last scientist is in on this scheme.
adgloriam said:
Lust, disordered desire, and a disordered self identity is among it.

Hey @help1 let me ask you a question: How about those kids barely 18 that underwent gender reassignment and latter regret it? The procedure is irreversible…We should ask them foremost what was going through their minds and what influences they were subjected to.
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Sure. What about what about what about. We all know the tactic of whataboutism. Individuals are individuals, and I’ll judge these cases on an individual basis. What’s important is that we’re fair to everybody, not merely the cherry-picked few that are more favorable to us.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:

Watch Liberals Protest ICE While Agents Are on a Child Sex Trafficking Bust​

“ICE is not welcome in this country.” What: A video of liberal activists protesting outside an Oakland, California home as it was being raided by Immigration…
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People should just as much protest the wrong an organization does as praise the good that they do. Even if “the other side” isn’t living up to that, we should. Otherwise, we’re just contributing to the unhealthy, divisive strife that defines way too much of American politics right now.
F_Marturana said:
How did we get here? To be prolife means that there are absolutely no other evil things? And we aren’t permitted to oppose any of the evil things either.
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I think it is that the pro-life movement has, for many people, become more about Republicans vs. Democrats than it has about any firm philosophical or theological foundation.
Thorolfr said:
If the parents are abusing their LGBT child, then, no, it’s not worth keeping that family together. Children frequently get removed from abusive parents, so I don’t know why this is any different.
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I’m not sure that not accepting your child’s gender identity counts as abuse, and I say this as someone with gender dysphoria.
help1 said:
but we should make an effort to understand them, that’s the Christian way
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To be honest, one of the worst parts for me was that no one ever treated gender dysphoria seriously. The “I identify as a toaster” jokes were just the annoying tip of the iceberg. Lectures claiming to be about the Bible and gender identity were just about the Bible and homosexuality with hand-waving dismissals that gender dysphoria could be anything other than disordered sexual attraction. It’s a major reason why I mostly kept/keep it to myself outside of online. Frankly, there was just no point in bringing it up to a pastor, family, or friends, because they wouldn’t understand and would just ask, “Why don’t you just admit you’re gay?” (Ironically, I would be considered “gay” within the transgender community, but that’s not what the pastor would have been talking about.)

That said, Scripture did help me, as did leaving the insanely toxic online transgender communities. (Seriously, I think the community itself is the most psychologically destructive part.) Even though I trust my current priest, I don’t really need religious guidance now. Actually, dealing with it is what really paved the way for me to become Catholic.
 
Fetuses don’t talk and cry, children after birth do; if people aren’t moved by religious teachings on abortion, they will have a harder time caring about abortion.
 
Thorolfr said:
I was reading an article recently which mentioned one female child whose parents tried to force her against her will to wear dresses. That seems kind of abusive to me.
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As a kid I disliked wearing polo shirts, but my parents made me every Sunday. I feel really abused.
 
That the left’s answer to everything. You disagree with the left? Oh you must be immoral.
 
OPs question should discuss the breakdown of the family in underprivileged homes.
 
Just to be clear, “the fringe right” refers to the positions that were accepted by nearly everyone around 5 minutes ago.
 
Too bad the person you’re talking to probably isn’t a member of “the left”. I know I’m not.
 
Such as? Nearly everyone has agreed on human rights for quite some time now.
 
Neither do you or the “psychologists” on this forum. Science is not psychology.
 
Arkansan said:
Just to be clear, “the fringe right” refers to the positions that were accepted by nearly everyone around 5 minutes ago.
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Yes, another classic from the old playbook. Keep them coming. It’s very entertaining.
 
Arkansan said:
That the left’s answer to everything. You disagree with the left? Oh you must be immoral.
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Have you considered that it really is as simple as them calling out insensitivity and that you should maybe reframe your arguments to be more empathetic?
 
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angel12 said:
How cruel & dismissive. Proof that you not only know nothing about gender dysphoria, but also have zero empathy.
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Hey @angel12 you managed to garner my respect consistently, your posts have a clear mind behind them. So about “gender dysphoria” I’ll say this in a nutshell:
  • First those kids between 18 and 20 years (e.g.) old that undergo sex reassignment surgery -which is irreversible- and latter sincerely regret it.
  • Then, the prevalence of “transgenders” in prostitution (with all its deviance - and Brazilians are notorious for this, with a specific cultural production that predates the trend in the US by decades).
  • Then, those kids that “apparently” fit the pattern in their teens and latter grew out of it becoming normal adults. Then, the modern ubiquitousness of “gender ideology” in mass media. These days “school text books” are selling off homosexuality as if normal. Kids I tutor as young as 13 years bring school books home with propaganda for homosexuality and divorce in them.
  • About science and psychology: Let’s just say that JFK’s sister got a lobotomy because she “acted out when pressured and liked dresses”. The psychologists I know that have a sound mind say themselves the field is currently still full of nonsense (there are rewards inside and outside the field for those siding and publishing with specific political interests.) And let’s not forget Freud and cocaine from the inception. Psychology has a long way to go…And over half the psychologists I talked with under the age of 28 hadn’t heard the words “chastity” or “wrath” during their entire college stints. (That much for morals, culture, and philosophy.)
  • Nobody currently knows how many sex reassignment surgeries are done in the US every year. But the following decades we will see an increase in those that never had children because of those surgeries. And they will say they were socially pressured, and in a way received the wrong advice.
 
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