The Legionaries of Christ scandal: did Fr Maciel have 'accomplices'?

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Fr Corcuera succeeded the disgraced founder of the Legionaries, the Mexican Fr Marcial Maciel, who was sent into exile shortly before he died a year ago following revelations of sexual assaults against seminarians years earlier. Now we also know that Maciel fathered a child in his 80s. And a senior Legionary spokesman has suggested that he may have had “accomplices” inside the movement.

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/damian_thompson/blog/2009/02/12/the_legionaries_of_christ_scandal_did_fr_maciel_have_accomplices
 
I read the article you referred to in your post.Unless I missed something,This is not a news story with "facts"that can be verified,but rather the author’s opinion as to what might have happened,or what might have been said,or what the author "thinks.I would not defend a Priest,Deacon or Bishop,layperson or anyone proven to be guilty of sexual misconduct neither would I condem any because of someones opinion.Rocky.
 
I read the article you referred to in your post.Unless I missed something,This is not a news story with "facts"that can be verified,but rather the author’s opinion as to what might have happened,or what might have been said,or what the author "thinks.I would not defend a Priest,Deacon or Bishop,layperson or anyone proven to be guilty of sexual misconduct neither would I condem any because of someones opinion.Rocky.
I think that is part of the strange thing. Why and how could this priest not know more about he abuses? It seems people in the movement were quick to denounce ex-members (more than 100 cases). But no new information fo rtheir followers and still committed to carry on the founders charism?

No talk of helping the people that were abused. He is suffering what about the victims of their founder?
 
Fr Corcuera succeeded the disgraced founder of the Legionaries, the Mexican Fr Marcial Maciel, who was sent into exile shortly before he died a year ago following revelations of sexual assaults against seminarians years earlier. Now we also know that Maciel fathered a child in his 80s. And a senior Legionary spokesman has suggested that he may have had “accomplices” inside the movement.

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/damian_thompson/blog/2009/02/12/the_legionaries_of_christ_scandal_did_fr_maciel_have_accomplices
Correction - he fathered a child while in his 60s, not 80s. The daughter is now in her 20s.
 
I think that is part of the strange thing. Why and how could this priest not know more about he abuses? It seems people in the movement were quick to denounce ex-members (more than 100 cases). But no new information fo rtheir followers and still committed to carry on the founders charism?

No talk of helping the people that were abused. He is suffering what about the victims of their founder?
I think that the other poster was stating that the author presented no actual, correct facts of abuse?

It’s said that it was revealed that he abused seminarians… With all the mishap that has been going on, surely they have at least one case they have verified, or at least are very certain about. Which case might that be?

In charity, I don’t think we can jump to conclusions.
 
I think that the other poster was stating that the author presented no actual, correct facts of abuse?

It’s said that it was revealed that he abused seminarians… With all the mishap that has been going on, surely they have at least one case they have verified, or at least are very certain about. Which case might that be?

In charity, I don’t think we can jump to conclusions.
what about charity to the victims!
here is some articles
regainnetwork.org/category.php?c=245671638
 
what about charity to the victims!
here is some articles
regainnetwork.org/category.php?c=245671638
Alright, could you direct link me to the one’s that have been proven/admitted? As that appears to be a site specifically for such cases against the LC, I’m sure they’ll have them directly mentioned.

One has to balance charity to the victims with charity of the accused. As one case has been substantiated through a DNA, it should not be used to claim that ALL of the abuse cases must have occurred.
 
Alright, could you direct link me to the one’s that have been proven/admitted? As that appears to be a site specifically for such cases against the LC, I’m sure they’ll have them directly mentioned.

One has to balance charity to the victims with charity of the accused. As one case has been substantiated through a DNA, it should not be used to claim that ALL of the abuse cases must have occurred.
Nor, in the interest of charity, can the lack of proof or verifiable evidence be used to conclude that the accusations are therefore false. Young boys, abused over 50 year ago, could hardly be expected to hang onto DNA evidence, in anticipation that one day, DNA evidence could in fact be used to determine sexual contact has taken place.

It is never charitable to disbelieve abuse victims.
imho
 
Nor, in the interest of charity, can the lack of proof or verifiable evidence be used to conclude that the accusations are therefore false. Young boys, abused over 50 year ago, could hardly be expected to hang onto DNA evidence, in anticipation that one day, DNA evidence could in fact be used to determine sexual contact has taken place.

It is never charitable to disbelieve abuse victims.
imho
They should of course be given aid, comfort, and treatment if necessary, I never said anything to the contrary. In fact, I specifically mentioned charity to the victims.

But, again, it would be uncharitable as well to assume the worst of a man due to speculation and gossip. Did not the Vatican look into some of the more relevant accusations? I believe they’ve yet to render a decision.

With the article given alone, they’ve seem to be proposing as fact items that are not, such as “…following revelations of sexual assaults against seminarians years earlier” (accusations; revelations suggests substantiated claims) or “But perhaps the victims (victim) of Fr Maciel might not put it that way.”

Bold - My emphasis; Italics - My comments.

I suppose I should note I’ve never met a LC Priest or Member. Only time I’ve heard of them was concerning a Bishop disciplining them in his diocese. I’m not defending the accused in his actions, just noting that because he is accused does not mean he is guilty (and yes, I know he has passed away).
 
Alright, could you direct link me to the one’s that have been proven/admitted? As that appears to be a site specifically for such cases against the LC, I’m sure they’ll have them directly mentioned.

One has to balance charity to the victims with charity of the accused. As one case has been substantiated through a DNA, it should not be used to claim that ALL of the abuse cases must have occurred.
Well said!
 
Nor, in the interest of charity, can the lack of proof or verifiable evidence be used to conclude that the accusations are therefore false. Young boys, abused over 50 year ago, could hardly be expected to hang onto DNA evidence, in anticipation that one day, DNA evidence could in fact be used to determine sexual contact has taken place.

It is never charitable to disbelieve abuse victims.
imho
Just for the record many of these boys first accused Father Maciel of drug abuse and then changed their stories when sex abuse came into play many years later. If they were abused then why did they not make that accusation first instead of the drug abuse charge?
Just curious.See article below

*Jay Dunlap, a spokesman for Father Maciel and the Legion, dismissed the accusations as lies and asked why the men had not brought up the allegations in the 1950’s, when Father Maciel was investigated for alleged drug abuse and later exonerated. “The idea that there were all these victims and nobody said anything to these investigators is beyond belief,” he said. “The Legion is entirely confident that any full investigation will only serve to exonerate Father Maciel.” *Over the years, the allegations against Father Maciel have been the subject of newspaper articles in The Hartford Courant and The National Catholic Reporter, as well as an ABC television report and several books. The accusers sent letters to the pope by diplomatic pouch in 1978 and 1989, but got no reply, according to Mr. Renner and Mr. Berry, who first wrote about the accusations in The Courant in 1997.
rickross.com/reference/loc/loc46.html
 
Respectfully, it is my understanding that the Legionairies have admitted that Fr. Maciel did indeed abuse drugs, did father a child by a 15 year old child, stolen from his order among other charges. The pedophilia charges are only indirectly substantiated by the Vatican’s actions. I suspect we will hear more about this is the future, and more serious allegations, most likely.

This is a very sad, sad situation for the entire church.
 
Respectfully, it is my understanding that the Legionairies have admitted that Fr. Maciel did indeed abuse drugs, did father a child by a 15 year old child, stolen from his order among other charges. The pedophilia charges are only indirectly substantiated by the Vatican’s actions. I suspect we will hear more about this is the future, and more serious allegations, most likely.

This is a very sad, sad situation for the entire church.
Yes it is a sad situation. The only thing though that has come out as fact was the 20 year old child the rest is rumor and not fact. No where did the Legion say that Father Maciel abused drugs or admit that he did abuse seminarians. Right now there are speculations only, not fact.They will investigate so let them do that and then you can your judgement on the other allegations.
 
My little brother is a Legionary, and I have been following all this with great interest over the years. The facts known are that around 20-30 years ago a group of maybe 10 former Legionaries came forward to say that they had been abused by Fr. Maciel in the 1950’s whiile seminarians. They had previously accused Fr. Maciel of drug abuse and other things than sexual abuse, but a Vatican investigation found no evidence to support their claims. The sexual abuse allegations came much later, and further investigation could neither substantiate or disprove them. One of the accusers supposedly recanted shortly before his death, but the others remain steadfast. The Legion stood behind Fr. Maciel and repeatedly denied the allegations.

the Legion did recently announce that DNA tests proved that Fr. Maciel fathered a daughter who is now in her twenties. Fr. Maciel would have been in his 60’s at the time. I beelieve the Legion also admitted they had found financial discrepancies. One respected Legionary priest was quoted as saying that this revelation seems to make the other allegations of sexual abuse much more credible. There are some rumors on the internet that the mother of the girl was only 15 at the time, but there is nothing official on that because the Legion says that they can’t reveal more information without violating the girl’s privacy.

The former chief financial officer of the Legion has been quoted as saying that Fr. Maciel had a habit of taking around $10,000 cash and “disappearing” for weeks at a time. Many Legionaries, who admittedly revered him as saintly, assumed he was off doing charitable works, and they did indeed get frequent feedback from people who were grateful that Fr. Maciel had paid their hospital bill, or helped them buy a much needed item, etc.

There are a few other accusations of sexual abuse by some older Legionary priests who would have been in one of the first “classes” of Legionary priests in the 60’s. But on the whole, from what I can tell, accusations of pedophilia or other sexual abuse of seminarians, etc. are fairly limited, especially when compared to Diocesan priests or other orders. There are a myriad of other complaints against the Legionaries, mostly pertaining to aggressive fundraising, an “uncaring” attitude towards those seminarians who leave the order, and “acting cultish”. I find these accusations not containing a lot of substance or detail, and much of it could be explained as “sour grapes”. But I’m sure that, as with any organization, there are certainly overzealous and sinful individuals.

My personal experience with the Legion is that there is an abundance of idealism, spiritual zeal, and holiness like I’ve never seen in a large group of young men. They do take two extra “private” vows, as do many orders. One is a vow of humility, to never seek for themselves or others positions of authority. The other is a vow of charity, to never speak uncharitably of another person or fellow Legionary. This last one has been heavily criticized as many take it to be a means of manipulating the young men in the order to keep abuses from coming to light. But if you ask any Legionary, they understand the vow to mean going strailght to the person you have a problem with and working to resolve the issue with them, rather than talking about them behind their back. And I have to say every Legionary I have ever met has taken great pains not to speak ill of any other person. We all should practice this kind of charity.

When my brother joined some 15 years ago, he was impressed by the fact that the order was so orthodox and strict. They were trying to correct the abuses they had seen and heard about in other seminaries, and were also going to great efforts to form good and holy priests. For instance, they all remain fully clothed at all tmes, wearing full pajamas to bed, never taking their shirts off while playing sports, etc., showering and sleeping in privacy. They typically require 12-14 years of formation prior to ordination. They are highly educated. Their charism is to evangelize the culture, therefor they seem to target the media and those in positions of authority and influence…

I don’t know what went on with Fr. Maciel, but he couldn’t have been rotten to the core, because he somehow had such good vision to bring forth such good and holy priests as I have met. My brother had visited oru local Diocesan seminary, and had considered other orders, and was feeling somewhat despondent about lack of idealism and spirituality in these places. As he has said, for him, it had to be all or nothing with his vocation. When he visited the Legionaries, he was so excilted and energized that he had finally found what he was looking for and where he felt God wanted him to be. I have to wonder if mental illness played a role with Fr. Maciel. He was certainly able to write and teach with such holy insight, and his efforts brought forth such good fruit. I hope and pray that the Legion is able to beg forgivenss from anyone who sufferd at his hands, or the hands of anyone else associated with the Legion, and that they can find their way and keep their mission alive.

When considering all the criticisms out there regarding the Legion, keep in mind that the order demands a very strict, pure and holy way of life for it’s members. I suspect this often results in much defensiveness from those who have tried and failed in that lifestyle. All I know for sure is that Satan would like nothing better than to see this group disintegrate and dessemble as so many critics are calling for.
 
the rest is rumor and not fact.
Curious as to how you know unequivocally and unambiguously that none of these other allegations are true.

I can understand that you hope none of them are true, but, unless you were a witness to these events, you are in no position to make such a dogmatic pronouncement.
 
I would like to thank Jacie for her comments.
At times like these, I’m very grateful we have our Holy Father Pope Benedict, because when he is ready, he will take care of the situation in a manner which will bring peace. He knows more than I do.
I have to say, I’ve known a few Legionaries - several priests and brothers who have come for ConQuest boys’ camps which my boys have attended. I love their zeal, their orthodoxy, their energy and their manliness. I think the world desperately needs manly priests, at least we sure do in Canada. At the same time, I’m quite sure the evil one hates their zeal, their orthodoxy, their energy and their manliness. While accepting the proven facts of the situation, I think it is better not to jump to any conclusions based on rumors, because we may find ourselves holding hands with the devil. It is my hope that under new leadership, the Legionaries can carry on, with a fresh start, the work they do so heroically.
 
I too thank Jacie for her comments.
My son and his wife are members of Regnum Christie and the graces in their life are almost palpable. This is not just joining a group but is literaly a vocation.
He has organized the ConQuest camp here in Alberta. I asked him once about prizes for the boys that return year after year and he said that would be just about all of them. The same is true of the fathers that come.
It is so obvious to me that the charism is from God. Our prayers are so important.
I agree about not accepting allegations as fact. The daughter is a fact.
In some circles now they want the teaching of a religion to be concidered child abuse. Any punishment is now “abuse”. Give your child a swat and you can be arrested.
 
I just finished talking to my brother, and he said the Legion is going to be issuing a statement on the matter tomorrow. It won’t satisfy a lot of people, because they just don’t have all the facts, and they probably will never know them all. The Vatican has access to many of the complaints, but that information has not been shared with the Legion and may never be now that Fr. Maciel is dead. My brother was very familiar with Fr. Maciel, and always impressed by his wisdom and kindness and spirituality. It is so disconcerting, because he always felt he was a good judge of character, and always looked up to Fr. Maciel. But he knows that the Legion is not full of pedophiles or predators or homosexuals. Whatever happened with Fr. Maciel, it has not infected the rest of the Legion, and that is all he knows right now. Sad how one person’s sin does so much damage.
 
“Satan would like nothing better than to see this group [LC] disintegrate and dessemble as so many critics are calling for.” (I quote from a recent post here).

I would instead say that Satan likes nothing better than seeing a Catholic order with an profoundly evil founder, a man who abused countless innocent, young men; a man who set up a secret order to protect his vile activities; a Maciel who set up an Order that still teaches his priests and consecrated women to adore him, a so-called Christ-like figure; a man who says his people deserve no freedoms (while he took vile liberties!). LC’s and RC’s deserve no families, no friends, no freedom to read what they want to read. Why can’t a RC attend her own sister’s wedding?! Why are her visits 3 days long and once a year? Letters once a month, a few sentences long, only saying “I will pray for you. WIll you pray for me?” That is a letter? A phone call, short and sweet, once a month?

Maciel recruited innocent boys as young as 11, 12 years old. He is an evil man whose Order tells his priests and consecrated women that the most important thing is to recruit, recruit, and get money from the rich! It sounds too much like a pyramid scheme or Amway.

Pope Benedict wants LC and RC to come under his umbrella and stop making up their own, abusive, totalitarian rules! It will be interesting to see if they respect the Pope. If they don’t, shall we watch the Devil laugh? EIther way, the Devil is rejoicing. I have lost all respect for LC and RC. Of course, there are dedicated, good people in these orders. It’s not the people I disrepect but their organization, their rules, their motivations. They need to realize the truth, follow their Pope and get out.

No one should be contributing money any more to LC or RC. People who respect these orders will not acknowledge that cult-like behavior is the foundation of LC and RC. I hope everyone gets the facts (and the facts are out there) and think hard!. Too many Catholics are putting their head in the sand! I too am very grateful that Pope Benedict has taken the stance he has. The Church must come to terms with the abuse and corrupt behavior of all too many of its Priests. Want to make the devil laugh? Keep it up, Catholics, and do not clean house.l
 
I would like to thank Jacie for her comments.
At times like these, I’m very grateful we have our Holy Father Pope Benedict, because when he is ready, he will take care of the situation in a manner which will bring peace. He knows more than I do.
I have to say, I’ve known a few Legionaries - several priests and brothers who have come for ConQuest boys’ camps which my boys have attended. I love their zeal, their orthodoxy, their energy and their manliness. I think the world desperately needs manly priests, at least we sure do in Canada. At the same time, I’m quite sure the evil one hates their zeal, their orthodoxy, their energy and their manliness. While accepting the proven facts of the situation, I think it is better not to jump to any conclusions based on rumors, because we may find ourselves holding hands with the devil. It is my hope that under new leadership, the Legionaries can carry on, with a fresh start, the work they do so heroically.
We’ve pretty much had similar experiences with the Legionaries in the past.My sons loved the retreats and the priests we met were great.But there was a feeling that something was a bit off. Maybe the recent revelations explain that.I wish I could say that as a mom I had some special intuition, but no.It was just an uneasy feeling about the whole order, not any individual.
One of the(seemingly) sweetest,most humble & reverent priests we’ve ever met turned out to be a child molester & used pornography to lure young boys.He had to be the last priest you’d imagine would do this.I never would have thought it.(No, he was not a Legionary.)It’s not too hard to be fooled I guess, especially when a priest says he’s “orthodox”, etc & is involved in otherwise good works.
Is there any other order/group out there that provides similar retreats or camps for boys? We haven’t participated with the Legionaries for years now, but have never found another organization to take their place.
 
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