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Words have a way to be twisted and turned to suit ones agenda…so many have been changed to suit the agenda of the ruling class…for years ‘cool’ meant indifferent…as in ‘the new kid in school got a cool reception from the other students’ that was changed on purpose to mean…with it and contemporary and knowledgable…and of course…‘free’…with so many getting stdiseases since the change free is hardly the word. notice after the tea parties nationwide,the same ruling class does not call us ''hippys…and caring,sensitive etc but rather 'right-wing extremists and religious zealots…and so it goes…our struggle for religious freedom in an ever darkening America is all uphill and against the wind…but what the heck…the early Christians had such a fight as did the founding fathers and ;mothers of this great land…wheres my pitchfork and this time I will hang my rosary onto the handle…see ya…
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**Well, you could have used this post to try to clear at least one of the points you don’t agree with me. You could have scored much better than just rain on my parade.
Now, let me clear a misunderstanding of yours about me here. I am not an enemy of Jesus as you supposedly think I am. The opposite is true. Jesus was not a Christian and much less a Catholic. Jesus was Jewish, and as a Jew is how we should discuss him. The fact that you guys use a Jew to insert Hellenistic innovations into his Faith which was Judaism, you only promote a distorted image of Judaism in the world. That’s where I come in to defense of the Faith of Jesus.
Therefore, don’t get scared, and just get into the arena. If you bring something that makes sense to me, I might learn a thing or two. If you prove to be no different from those whose strings are moved from somewhere outside their brains, I’ll tell you to pack if you are too proud to learn from a member of the Faith of Jesus.
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Oh boy, whats next? The landing of the moon was hoax? the govenemrnt is hidding the secrets behind area 51? Abraham practiced Islam? The govermenment planned the 9/11 atack? a UFO was recovered at Roswell? come on man, you`re an educated person…put these conspiracy theories to a rest.
Stop taking words out of the Bible to suit your man-made theory and accept the facts please.
Oh, I am sorry! You should have told me not to quote anything that might hurt your ears.
Acts 7 — Stephen is stoned to death in the Temple, by the Jews, with Saul witnessing.
I don’t believe that stoning ever happened. No one could stone someone in Israel if not condemned by the Sanhedrin. If you read the text without church blinders, the man was stoned after he delivered a heretic sermon. Therefore, he could not be stoned for those words. He had to return to the Sanhedrin to be judged. And once judged and condemned, there was no more chance to speak or explain his position. So, it never happend. That’s the same fabricated accusation made by the writers of the NT
also with regards to Jesus: That the Jews killed both: Jesus and Stephen. I know an antisemitic act when I see one.
Acts 8 — “A great persecution arose against the church which was at Jerusalem.” Paher even admits that Paul, in Acts 8, was “aggressively persecuting” Christians. (P. 3). The text says the persecution was so severe that the only Christians left in Jerusalem were the apostles. This means that literally thousands upon thousands of Christians were forced to flee the city due to persecution. This was at the very time that Paher insists good relations prevailed between the church and the synagogue.
**There was a policy among the Romans to arrest the heads of any movement, so that the followers would disperse. Here, you are telling me something the opposite. Persecution of the followers and leaving the heads of the movement in peace. This story is not well told. There were no Christians yet. Those were members of the Sect of the Nazarenes. Christians started quite later with Paul in Antioch. (Acts 11:26) Now, where was Paul persecuting the Nazarenes? Oh, I remember; he went to Jerusalem for letters from the Priests to arrest Nazarenes in Damascus. Two reasons why this is a lie. First contradiction: Even in the Land of Israel, the Jews had lost legal power to condemn one to death. How could Israel send an envoy to arrest citizens of another country, which was Syria? Makes no sense. Now, for the second contradiction: Paul goes to Jerusalem for authorization to arrest Nazarenes in Damascus, when the headquarters of the Nazarenes was in Jerusalem. Why not start with Jerusalem? How do you explain that? **
Acts 13:42-51 — **The Jewish persecution of Paul **and his ministry was so acute that Paul shook the dust from his feet. This was a sign of assigning them to judgment.
That’s an interesting episode about Paul. He used to preach mostly in the synagogues of the Jews, although claiming that he was an apostle of the Gentiles. In Acts 13 he had been so much opposed by the Jews that he shook the dust from his feet and said, “we now turn to the Gentiles.” Do you know where he went to after he shook the dust of his feet and left? To the synagogue of Iconium. (Acts 14:1) Wasn’t the man something? He loved to say that he was the apostle for the Gentiles and never left the Jews in peace, as if Gentiles were to be found in the synagogues of the Jews. What credibility such a man could have?
Acts 18 — We have already seen the Jewish nature and instigation of this persecution.
You have, haven’t you? So have I of the Christian nature to persecute the Jews throughout History. If I start to tell you here about Christian Crusades, Christian Inquisition and Christian blood libels, I’ll be typing this for days.
It is also of importance to realize that the Roman proconsul wanted no part in this persecution. At this juncture, the Romans could not care less about the Christians.
You are so intoxicated with Jewish hatred that you don’t even know how to study your own NT. That persecution started in Rome against the Jews, who were expelled from Rome, as a result of an edict signed by the Emperor Claudius ordering all Jews to leave Rome. (Acts 18:2) The fire of those persecutions followed them to Israel and throughout Asia Minor. That’s why many went to Antioch, as the Nazarene Synagogue grew out of proportions. (Acts 11:19-26)
The remainder of the first century AD saw the number of Jesus’ followers, who were soon called “Christians,” grow rapidly. Instrumental in the spread of Christianity was a man named Paul, a zealous Jew who had persecuted Christians,
Paul never persecuted a single Christian. One does not found a religion to persecute the adepts. Paul persecuted the Nazarenes. Christians originated with him in Antioch. (Acts 11:26)
then converted to the faith after experiencing a vision of the risen Jesus.
That’s what he said, when he tried to join the Sect of the Nazarenes and was rejected. The Apostles didn’t believe him.
Taking advantage of the extensive system of Roman roads and the time of peace, Paul went on numerous missionary journeys throughout the Roman Empire. He started churches, then wrote letters back to them to offer further counsel and encouragement. Many of these letters would become part of the Christian scriptures, the “New Testament.”
**When Paul was arrested in Jerusalem and taken to Rome, he did not travel around in Rome, because he was in house arrest for the remaining of his days. That’s why he would invite the Jews to him in order to preach his gospel to them. Read Acts 28:17. **
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Acts 7 — Stephen is stoned to death in the Temple, by the Jews, with Saul witnessing.
I don’t believe that stoning ever happened. No one could stone someone in Israel if not condemned by the Sanhedrin. If you read the text without church blinders, the man was stoned after he delivered a heretic sermon. Therefore, he could not be stoned for those words. He had to return to the Sanhedrin to be judged. And once judged and condemned, there was no more chance to speak or explain his position. So, it never happend. That’s the same fabricated accusation made by the writers of the NT
also with regards to Jesus: That the Jews killed both: Jesus and Stephen. I know an antisemitic act when I see one.
Stephen did not have to be judged, Peter and another apostle (I believe it was James) were already judged by the official high priests. They were also put in prision but escaped. This must have made the Jewish officals very upset because not only did their captives escape by an angel send by God, but they heard the same Christian preaching from ANOTHER apostle. This was enough to make the Jews angry enough to kill Stephen without a trial in order to send a message for anybody else deciding to spread Christianity.
Acts 8 — “A great persecution arose against the church which was at Jerusalem.” Paher even admits that Paul, in Acts 8, was “aggressively persecuting” Christians. (P. 3). The text says the persecution was so severe that the only Christians left in Jerusalem were the apostles. This means that literally thousands upon thousands of Christians were forced to flee the city due to persecution. This was at the very time that Paher insists good relations prevailed between the church and the synagogue.
There was a policy among the Romans to arrest the heads of any movement, so that the followers would disperse. Here, you are telling me something the opposite. Persecution of the followers and leaving the heads of the movement in peace. This story is not well told. There were no Christians yet. Those were members of the Sect of the Nazarenes. Christians started quite later with Paul in Antioch. (Acts 11:26) Now, where was Paul persecuting the Nazarenes? Oh, I remember; he went to Jerusalem for letters from the Priests to arrest Nazarenes in Damascus. Two reasons why this is a lie. First contradiction: Even in the Land of Israel, the Jews had lost legal power to condemn one to death. How could Israel send an envoy to arrest citizens of another country, which was Syria? Makes no sense. Now, for the second contradiction: Paul goes to Jerusalem for authorization to arrest Nazarenes in Damascus, when the headquarters of the Nazarenes was in Jerusalem. Why not start with Jerusalem? How do you explain that?
No, I am not saying anything thats contrary, look at closely what you said. You said there were no Christians yet, well if that was a factthat yes, I would be contradicting myself. But considering that you`re not following any history facts your theory holds no water whatsoever.
Even the vast majority of Jews blame Jesus Christ for the Catholic Church.
Acts 13:42-51 — **The Jewish persecution of Paul **and his ministry was so acute that Paul shook the dust from his feet. This was a sign of assigning them to judgment.
That’s an interesting episode about Paul. He used to preach mostly in the synagogues of the Jews, although claiming that he was an apostle of the Gentiles. In Acts 13 he had been so much opposed by the Jews that he shook the dust from his feet and said, “we now turn to the Gentiles.” Do you know where he went to after he shook the dust of his feet and left? To the synagogue of Iconium. (Acts 14:1) Wasn’t the man something? He loved to say that he was the apostle for the Gentiles and never left the Jews in peace, as if Gentiles were to be found in the synagogues of the Jews. What credibility such a man could have?
Acts 18 — We have already seen the Jewish nature and instigation of this persecution.
You have, haven’t you? So have I of the Christian nature to persecute the Jews throughout History. If I start to tell you here about Christian Crusades, Christian Inquisition and Christian blood libels, I’ll be typing this for days.
True Christian don`t persecute others for their own pleasure, ture Christians are: Saint Peter, Sain John, Saint Stephen, and Saint Paul
You are so intoxicated with Jewish hatred that you don’t even know how to study your own NT. That persecution started in Rome against the Jews, who were expelled from Rome, as a result of an edict signed by the Emperor Claudius ordering all Jews to leave Rome. (Acts 18:2) The fire of those persecutions followed them to Israel and throughout Asia Minor. That’s why many went to Antioch, as the Nazarene Synagogue grew out of proportions. (Acts 11:19-26)
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I am not inotxicated with Jwish hatred, as matter of fact by calling myself a Catholic I have the right to call myself a fullfilled Jew.
The remainder of the first century AD saw the number of Jesus’ followers, who were soon called “Christians,” grow rapidly. Instrumental in the spread of Christianity was a man named Paul, a zealous Jew who had persecuted Christians,
Paul never persecuted a single Christian. One does not found a religion to persecute the adepts. Paul persecuted the Nazarenes. Christians originated with him in Antioch. (Acts 11:26)
no silly, Christians just originated the name “Christians” in Antioch. Also, I was quoting from a website, next time I`m going to quote from an encylopedia and see what it has to say about Christianity.
then converted to the faith after experiencing a vision of the risen Jesus.
That’s what he said, when he tried to join the Sect of the Nazarenes and was rejected. The Apostles didn’t believe him.
Untrue…they had doubts about Paul, but they then accepted him and Saint Paul replaced Judas position as The twelve
Taking advantage of the extensive system of Roman roads and the time of peace, Paul went on numerous missionary journeys throughout the Roman Empire. He started churches, then wrote letters back to them to offer further counsel and encouragement. Many of these letters would become part of the Christian scriptures, the “New Testament.”
**When Paul was arrested in Jerusalem and taken to Rome, he did not travel around in Rome, because he was in house arrest for the remaining of his days. That’s why he would invite the Jews to him in order to preach his gospel to them. Read Acts 28:17. **
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The remainder of the first century AD saw the number of Jesus’ followers, who were soon called “Christians,” grow rapidly. Instrumental in the spread of Christianity was a man named Paul, a zealous Jew who had persecuted Christians,
Paul never persecuted a single Christian. One does not found a religion to persecute the adepts. Paul persecuted the Nazarenes. Christians originated with him in Antioch. (Acts 11:26)
no silly, Christians just originated the name “Christians” in Antioch. Also, I was quoting from a website, next time I`m going to quote from an encylopedia and see what it has to say about Christianity.
then converted to the faith after experiencing a vision of the risen Jesus.
That’s what he said, when he tried to join the Sect of the Nazarenes and was rejected. The Apostles didn’t believe him.
Untrue…they had doubts about Paul, but they then accepted him and Saint Paul replaced Judas position as The twelve
Taking advantage of the extensive system of Roman roads and the time of peace, Paul went on numerous missionary journeys throughout the Roman Empire. He started churches, then wrote letters back to them to offer further counsel and encouragement. Many of these letters would become part of the Christian scriptures, the “New Testament.”
**When Paul was arrested in Jerusalem and taken to Rome, he did not travel around in Rome, because he was in house arrest for the remaining of his days. That’s why he would invite the Jews to him in order to preach his gospel to them. Read Acts 28:17. **
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WRONG. Even Pilate’s pagan wife Claudia was converted after Jesus died. She had a dream in which she told her husband not to kill Jesus THAT HE WAS IN FACT A HOLY MAN. Pilate gave SO MANY CHANCES to have Christ released. Pilate DELIBERATELY put up that sign BECAUSE HE REALIZED Christ may have been the Messiah. Don’t try to tell me otherwise my friend. Read your Gospels.
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I would never deny the fact that Jesus Christ was Jewish. It comes to no ones surprise that He indeed was a Jew. I am not disming that mere fact, but I am rather insisting that Christianity isn`t actually a new religion, rather an extension of Jewdaism. Hence the world “fullfillment”. Catholic itself means universal and we hold unto the believe that we have the “Full-ness” of Truth.
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Christ called his church “universal” which means for everyone. The Catholic church is the only “universal” church Christ founded and he meant it for EVERYONE to be IN the one, holy; Catholic; and Apostolic church.
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geometer
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When did you hear christ call his church, universal???
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As I understand it, and I stand to be corrected as I do not know everything; who does?
Anti-Christ means those who know that Christ was the Messiah, the Incarnate God, or suspect strongly he may have been, and don’t care because their hearts are not set on the Kingdom of God but their own wrongful desire. Such people can be affiliated with any religious denomination.
Neither Jesus or Paul ever said what the Jews believed about God was wrong. They said they lacked understanding and practiced their faith in the absence of compassion which is wrong. Jesus said of the Pharasees, ‘listen to what they say but do not do as they do.’ He did not say their teaching was wrong but rather how they lived their faith. To me, their are several aspects of the mark of the beast. Those who are greedy and live for self and personal gain irrespective of what religious denomination they are affilitated with. Those who know what they teach about Christ is not true but they hold to it for personal gain. Those who willingly and knowingly harm the innocent for self satisfaction and distort love which is God given. Need I go on?
These traits are displayed in individuals of every religious denomination. Anti-Christ is therefore to me, teaching what you know to be wrong about Christ. Innocently teaching what is false about Christ or teaching in ignorance is not the same thing as knowingly doing it.
Anti-Christ means those who know that Christ was the Messiah, the Incarnate God, or suspect strongly he may have been, and don’t care because their hearts are not set on the Kingdom of God but their own wrongful desire. Such people can be affiliated with any religious denomination.
Neither Jesus or Paul ever said what the Jews believed about God was wrong. They said they lacked understanding and practiced their faith in the absence of compassion which is wrong. Jesus said of the Pharasees, ‘listen to what they say but do not do as they do.’ He did not say their teaching was wrong but rather how they lived their faith. To me, their are several aspects of the mark of the beast. Those who are greedy and live for self and personal gain irrespective of what religious denomination they are affilitated with. Those who know what they teach about Christ is not true but they hold to it for personal gain. Those who willingly and knowingly harm the innocent for self satisfaction and distort love which is God given. Need I go on?
These traits are displayed in individuals of every religious denomination. Anti-Christ is therefore to me, teaching what you know to be wrong about Christ. Innocently teaching what is false about Christ or teaching in ignorance is not the same thing as knowingly doing it.
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**You have all the right in the world to your opinion. Mine is that there was never any contension between Jesus and the Pharisees, as Jesus came from that same line. All that bellicosity between Jesus and the Pharisees reported in the NT was between Paul and the Pharisees, because these never allowed Paul his number one wish to build a church in Jerusalem.
Now, regarding the Antichrist, he is primarily an anti-Semite. Since according to Habakkuk 3:13, Israel, the Jewish People is the anointed of God, anyone who stand against Jewishness is an antichrist.
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OneTrueCathApos
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I believe Christ would be spelled with capital C…
It is in the bible. It is told to Apostle given by Christ.
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Interesting take. I’m currently in teacher training and my main subject is RS. My main tutor was explaining to us that Jews and Christians have different interpretations of scripture and I would be interested in that.
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OneTrueCathApos
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What is this obsession with St. Paul? That is all you talk about. The Pharisees hated Christ more than anything. They wanted him dead plain and simple. His own people left him there to die.
You act as if the Jews did no wrong. Even the OT shows you how God calls you the “stiff-necked” people. In the whole of the OT, the Jews never ever listened to God. They constantly disobeyed him. They worshipped false idols, even then God disapproves of his people. They broke the Covenant how many times, for forty years it took them to get to the promised land because they would not listen. In Genesis, God even says he wished he never made man. What changes today? 2,000 yeaars later, things are the same way…
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So, are there verses that speak of an individual who is David’s heir, who will be king, and who is the messiah?
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ryanoneil
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How does the annulling of the covenant and the breaking of the staffs “Grace and Union” (Zech 11:10-14) fit into this?
Does the New Covenant supercede the Old (Mosaic) Covenant?
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Actually, it was Matthias that replaced Judas as one of the twelve in Acts 1.
Acts 1:24-26
And they prayed and said, “Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show which one of these two thou hast chosen to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside, to go to his own place.” And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias; and he was enrolled with the eleven apostles.
Paul being apostles shows that there were more than 12 apostles in the early church.
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Quote from Catholic Answers article here.
The term ‘catholic’ was used as early as 110 A.D by Ignatius of Antioch.
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