The Mark of the Beast

[Lapell]

minkymurph;5301080:

The First Commandment is absolute in that there is no other God. There is one God.

I would say relative according to the culture.

The Second Commandment is absolute in that nothing else is to be worshipped as God.

Again, relative, as other cultures worship other gods.
If there is but one God, and God uttered these Commandments, I believe that then they are absolute, not relative. (In Christianity, despite all that you’d said, we worship only One God, though in three persons… I know you Jews disagree, but that’s the way it’s been revealed to us, and the Holy Church has been maintained ever since despite an almost constant state of crisis)

 

[Lapell]

If there is but one God, and God uttered these Commandments, I believe that then they are absolute, not relative. (In Christianity, despite all that you’d said, we worship only One God, though in three persons… I know you Jews disagree, but that’s the way it’s been revealed to us, and the Holy Church has been maintained ever since despite an almost constant state of crisis)

Why were the Jews severely punished whenever they turned to idols after they swore that God would be their only God?

 

[Ben_Masada]

Why were the Jews severely punished whenever they turned to idols after they swore that God would be their only God?

Because a Loving Father usually punishes the children He loves.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;5304172:

If there is but one God, and God uttered these Commandments, I believe that then they are absolute, not relative. (In Christianity, despite all that you’d said, we worship only One God, though in three persons… I know you Jews disagree, but that’s the way it’s been revealed to us, and the Holy Church has been maintained ever since despite an almost constant state of crisis)

That’s the way it has been revealed to you and the Chruch. By whom and when?

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;5304138:

I would have thought that to you also Jews faith and reason would not be opposed but actually complementary? For to us Catholics they are. Hence the occurence of “scientific background”(reason) and faith in the same sentence. Either one separate from the other brings disorder one way or the other…

As you can see, we differ by more than several issues.

 

[Lapell]

Because a Loving Father usually punishes the children He loves.

You are right! And why does a Loving Father punish the children He loves, hmm?

 

[Lapell]

As you can see, we differ by more than several issues.

To YOU personally faith and reason may be opposed. To some Jews, learned and unlearned, they may be. But to other Jews, also learned and unlearned, they may not. Even among the “learned”, the rule “two Jews, three opinions” does apply, like it or not.

 

[Lapell]

Moses Mendelssohn, Abraham Joshua Herschel, Emmanuel Levinas were learned people. Before them the Besht, Maimonides and others.
Also, the Pharisees were known for their hope in an afterlife in Jesus’ and Paul’s days… given the discussion between the Pharisees and the Saducees immediately arisen when Paul shouted that he had been arrested because of his hope for eternal life as a Pharisee…

 

[onenow1]

**I can’t agree with you more that Jesus=Teacher=Teacher par Excellence. Therefore, he was a married man, because a Jew could not be a Teacher or Rabbi in the First Century in Israel if he was not married.

Now, with regards to his commandment, “you must love one another,” I know he didn’t have the mind of Freud, but I am sure that he knew that love cannot be commanded. Love is an emotion and no one can be commanded to feel. I think Jesus meant to respect one another. Respect yes, can be comanded, and sometimes even enforced.**

Hi Ben Note your response on love below :
Originally Posted by Ben Masada
In that case, you can stop accusing us that we have rejected Jesus, because there is nothing we love more than God’s Law.

Ben do you respect or love God’s law ?

Peace, onenow1

 

[look3467]

So, is the number 666 or 616?

666 is in the bible as the mark of the beast.

The number 6 is consistent with the image of God man, 3 times.

And the verse does say it is the number of a man.

1/1=1 and the last one being a new man.

Blessing’s, AJ

 

[look3467]

Hi Ben Note your response on love below :
Originally Posted by Ben Masada
In that case, you can stop accusing us that we have rejected Jesus, because there is nothing we love more than God’s Law.

Ben do you respect or love God’s law ?

Peace, onenow1

You are right in that love can not be commanded, and rightfully so.
Because love first has to be born in the heart before anything of value can be acted out.

And that is the commandment, that love be born willingly and acted out by reason of love for they neighbor.

Jesus was rejected for reasons other than what may be taught to be, because it was ordained that it should be that way.

The rejection was intended for the inclusion of other than the ones who rejected Him.

So, there is no blame here on anyone.

If there were a little bit more understanding as to why, than the reason becomes pretty obvious.

Blessing’s, AJ

 

[Ben_Masada]

You are right in that love can not be commanded, and rightfully so.
Because love first has to be born in the heart before anything of value can be acted out.

And that is the commandment, that love be born willingly and acted out by reason of love for they neighbor.

Jesus was rejected for reasons other than what may be taught to be, because it was ordained that it should be that way.

The rejection was intended for the inclusion of other than the ones who rejected Him.

So, there is no blame here on anyone.

If there were a little bit more understanding as to why, than the reason becomes pretty obvious.

Blessing’s, AJ

The love of God comes through the knowledge of God. The more we apply to know God, the more we get to love Him. Besides God’s creation, the Law is one of the most personal methods to relate to God. Therefore, it’s only natural that love or reverence to the Law develops. To have a better idea of what I am talking about, you can read the whole of Psalm 119.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Moses Mendelssohn, Abraham Joshua Herschel, Emmanuel Levinas were learned people. Before them the Besht, Maimonides and others.
Also, the Pharisees were known for their hope in an afterlife in Jesus’ and Paul’s days… given the discussion between the Pharisees and the Saducees immediately arisen when Paul shouted that he had been arrested because of his hope for eternal life as a Pharisee…

**First of all, these learnt men you have mentioned above, they did not talk about physical resurrection. Their way to believe in resurrection is the same as the one in Ezekiel 37:12. A symbolical resurrection from the graves of exile and return to the Land of Israel.

And second, Paul was lying by saying that he had been arrested because of his hope in the resurrection, since the reason had been because he used to teach the Jews in the Diaspora to abandon Moses, to stop circumcising their children and to renounce the Jewish customs. (Acts 21:21) **

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;5307958:

To YOU personally faith and reason may be opposed. To some Jews, learned and unlearned, they may be. But to other Jews, also learned and unlearned, they may not. Even among the “learned”, the rule “two Jews, three opinions” does apply, like it or not.

**You are right. We do have a mind of our own. **

 

[Eucharisted]

Six Hundred Sixty-Six (666)

On the first day of the last days
My antichrist gave to me
Six hundred cartridges of E.T.

On the second day of the last days
My antichrist gave to me
Sixty episodes of Ophra
And six hundred catridges of E.T.

On the third day of the last days
My antichrist gave to me
Six bottles of cheap whiskey
Sixty episodes of Ophra
And six hundred catridges of E.T.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Six Hundred Sixty-Six (666)

On the first day of the last days
My antichrist gave to me
Six hundred cartridges of E.T.

On the second day of the last days
My antichrist gave to me
Sixty episodes of Ophra
And six hundred catridges of E.T.

On the third day of the last days
My antichrist gave to me
Six bottles of cheap whiskey
Sixty episodes of Ophra
And six hundred catridges of E.T.

**And what is it supposed to build into the understanding? **

 

[sambos671]

666 is in the bible as the mark of the beast.

The number 6 is consistent with the image of God man, 3 times.

And the verse does say it is the number of a man.

1/1=1 and the last one being a new man.

Blessing’s, AJ

Really? Well, the earliest known text of the book of Revelation dating a century after Ireaneus has the Greek text showing Chi Iota Stigma rather than Chi Xi Stigma as found in the majority text. Also the Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus as it writen in full Hexakosiai deka hex rather than Hexakosioi Hexekonta hex. 666 aramaic rendering from the Greek could lead one to believe it meant Nero. Yet 616 rendering rendering from Greek to Aramaic can point to Caligula who had his statue errected in the temple. Ireaneaus knows about the 616 rendering but rejects it Jerome also knows about it and uses it both had text that are no longer extant. So which is it?

 

[Lapell]

You are right in that love can not be commanded, and rightfully so.
Because love first has to be born in the heart before anything of value can be acted out.

And that is the commandment, that love be born willingly and acted out by reason of love for they neighbor.

Jesus was rejected for reasons other than what may be taught to be, because it was ordained that it should be that way.

The rejection was intended for the inclusion of other than the ones who rejected Him.

So, there is no blame here on anyone.

If there were a little bit more understanding as to why, than the reason becomes pretty obvious.

Blessing’s, AJ

It was a putting aside for a while, not rejection, AJ!
Also, if love for the neighbour is a Commandment, it does mean we can do something about it. Otherwise it would be absurd, and God is not absurd, is He?

 

[Lapell]

**Paul was lying by saying that he had been arrested because of his hope in the resurrection, since the reason had been because he used to teach the Jews in the Diaspora to abandon Moses, to stop circumcising their children and to renounce the Jewish customs. (Acts 21:21) **

Here we are in the province of opinions, Ben.
And Paul had received death threats even when he STARTED preaching Jesus. I doubt he had even mentioned anything drawing the accusations you keep repeating even though it was a conclusion quite jumped at, for the changes at the time Paul was arrested only were about those of Gentile origin!

 

[Lapell]

Lapell;5308683:

**You are right. We do have a mind of our own. **

In older English: “Thou hast” a mind of “thy” own. For in our days, Thou and Thy are used only when addressed to God Almighty!