The Mark of the Beast

[heiscominginthe]

Ben Masada;5469158:

There goes that anti-semitism card again…what do you then call yourself who is a hater of Christians meaning Jesus Christ?

The Jews must deny Jesus, for to not deny him as messiah is to be converted.

Yet, it is written that the true Israel, the true Jew, is all who believe Jesus Christ is messiah and Lord. Praise God. This applies to Jews and Gentiles alike.

 

[heiscominginthe]

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Originally Posted by Ben Masada
That’s a lie of the gospel writer or of the Church. The High Priest would never condemn a Jew who came to uphold God’s Law, which is the most important thing in the life the Jewish People. (Mat. 5:19)

So you write but do you have proof? Didn’t think so.

The Jews condemed Jesus for saying he was the Son of God, thus equal to God. They considered this blasphemy.

 

[Lapell]

**Now, your next step is to define what you mean by physical laws and spiritual laws. To me, when Jesus declared that he had come to confirm the Law and the Prophets, he meant all the Jewish laws down to the letter, and he established no distinction between laws and laws. (Mat. 5:19)

Then, about 30 years later, when Paul declared that the Law of commandments had been abolished on the cross, he, likewise did not distinguish between laws and laws. (Ephe 2:15) Therefore, someone must be wrong here, and I don’t think it was Jesus. **

The Law and the Prophets mean: the Word of God as it was known then. I doubt you would read saint Paul’s texts as a whole, trying to put yourself in saint Paul’s mind. Rather you take one sentence and you remove it from its context.
Tell me, have they offered animal sacrifices at the Temple after its destruction in 70 AD (or CE in your case)? How come was your people unable to rebuild it after 1939 years now?

 

[Lapell]

My consolation is that you know for sure that I am attacking neither God nor His People. You wish you could love God as much as I do. And to know who His people are, you have only to read the Tanach. But you Catholic guys prefer to trust the Church and leave the Scriptures to the Priests. That’s a pity.

Well, we don’t go just by Scriptures alone. Where in the TaNaKH is it written that you must go by the Scriptures ALONE? Are you not in some way influenced by at least some of the commentaries of the Sages of Israel? Then even YOU would not go just by the Bible alone…

 

[adrift]

**Please Ryanoneil, you can do much better than that! John the Baptist would immerse crowds of Jews in the Jordan everyday. That’s what he chose to do for an occupation. You speak of his doing it to Jesus as if Jesus had been the only Jew he ever immersed in waters. And next time you mention this, please use the word “immersion”. Jews don’t baptize. **

This is antichristian non-sense. Of course Jews baptised, Jesus was a Jew, He baptized. John wasn’t called the immerser. This request is just an attack without substance. I could ask you to stop using bce and ace because they mean nothing but are an attack on our faith. You would say why should I. It is ridiculous for us to ask us to change. It is an unreasonable and bigoted request.

 

[Ben_Masada]

So you’re saying the Gospels are a lie? Who were the people who were shouting “Crucify Him”, they weren’t any other people but the Jews. Can’t you face the fact that the Jews wanted Christ dead? He was a threat to them and you must know this. If the Jews could only accept this as it says in the Gospels, then you would understand them better. But you act like Jews could do no wrong. That is the trouble with them even as of today.

Would you please explain to me what threat was Jesus to the Jews in the First Century, so that they would ask enemies occupiers of our Land to crucify him?

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;5469158:

There goes that anti-semitism card again…what do you then call yourself who is a hater of Christians meaning Jesus Christ?

**All you have to do is to open your NT and prove to me that Jesus was a Christian, because what I am aware of, is that Christians started with Paul in Antioch, about 30 years after Jesus had been gone. Read Acts 11:26. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

Its interesting Ben Masaada how you skipped over my post 1056 just to reply to people who you accuse of being anti semetic. You forget they hold the authority of the NT and it says the Sanhedrin convicted Jesus. They lead Jesus to the Romans and instigated the crowds to have Jesus crucified. Now the fact of our Faith with the Pope mentions is that Man’s sins lead Jesus to the Cross and so we are all to blame for that regard doesn’t change the fact that Jews convicted Jesus or that the Romans killed him.

**As you know, there is nothing more important to the soul of a Jew than
God’s Law. Jesus comes to confirm that Law down to the Letter. (Mat. 5:19) And in the parable of the Richman and Lazarus, he says to the Richman in hell that the only way for one not to fall in his same situation is to listen to Moses. It means to the Law. (Luke 16:28-31) Than, to a man like that, the Jews ask the enemies of Israel to crucify him. Can you please explain this contradiction to me? **

 

[Ben_Masada]

This guy is like a jewish version of hitler when it comes to his thaughts on others. A couple of loose nuts for sure! talking to this guy is like trying to get a paralized person to run a marathon, it wont be acomplished. I would suggest that everyone let this antichrist be. He is in a hole and should be left there to bicker to himself alone. Let us not give him the satisfaction of keeping him company! Good luck!

True child of God, over and out!

**Do you know what is the meaning of the word “Christ” in Greek? Anointed of God. Now, read Habakkuk 3:13. It says in there that Israel, the People, is the Anointed of God. Therefore, the Christ of God. So, the Antichrist must be anyone who is anti-Jewish. Now, I ask, have I said anything that it is not in the Scriptures? How then do you explain your hostility? If you don’t have answers to my questions, don’t pick up my posts. You are wasting your time and the time of others. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

Did I read this correctly…the mark of the beast is the cross…mmm.how clever to enter a christian site and insult them…! The cross is just a form of punishment…thats all…a year before Jesus was nailed to the thing some 3000 Jews were also nailed to that non-electric chair! What if Jesus were hung…would you then claim the mark of the beast is the noose etc etc.no the mark of the beast is always changing…but usually since the beast controls the worlds media the hint is whomever they compliment…like the pedophile Jackson.or the intern molestor,Clinton, or the savior of communism at Yalta…FDR or certain talk show hosts who pretend to be anti-beast but do their work in a different angle! check the latest hate crimes bill…their you see the mark of the beast in all its glory…perversions are protected but we who are anti-abortion,pro-second amendment and vets are to be considered possible terrorists and must be watched! The mark of the beast is therefor like a brand on a cow…those in the club instantly know the words to use for that day…no matter how absurd…re: earth warming…the beat goes on for the beast is our better and must always be obeyed! notice how the spin is on about the death of the bump; and grinder MJ…too much is out on his sick amusements…sleeping with little boys…so they must make a martyr out of him…you must get a cheap; thrill out of insulting these Christians…enjoy

**If you have ever read the Bible, it’s written that whoever is hanged on a tree or wood has been made a curse because that wood instrument is a curse to the Jewish People. Paul himself makes reference to this. Then, he says that to him instead, the cross is an instrument of glory.

However, the main mark of the Beast is a trace of character, which is called Antisemitism.
Anyone who is an anti-Semite, has the mark of the Beast. Why? Because the main personage to carry the mark of the Beast is the Antichrist. Since Christ in Greek means Anointed of God, and according to Habakkuk 3:13, Israel the Jewish People is the Anointed of God, it’s only obvious that anyone anti-Jewish is part of the Antichrist.**

 

[Ben_Masada]

Cite a source for this.

**Are you possibly denying that the late magnanimous Pope John 23rd asked publicly from the Jewish People to forgive Christianity for this 2000 years old false accusation that the Jews killed Jesus? I have read it more than several times about this. I am going to check this out in the Library. What will you do with the source if I bring it to you, the same that you did with the reference book about the 4th Crusade? I don’t know if you deserve such a wasting of my time.

Moreover, let me remind you that the Pope said “to forgive Christianity” and not the gospel
writers. This only tells me that the Church had a heavy hand on this conspiracy. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

So you write but do you have proof? Didn’t think so.

**Would you please explain to me the contradiction? I gave you Matthew
5:19, and now I give you also Luke 16:28-31, where Jesus presents “Moses” or the Law as the only solution to avoid falling in the same condtion of the Richman in hell. How could the Jews ask the enemies of Israel to kill such a Jew?

As you can see, I give the proofs but you are not interested in them. In that case, explain the contradiction.**

 

[Ben_Masada]

OneTrueCathApos;5469353:

The Jews must deny Jesus, for to not deny him as messiah is to be converted.

Yet, it is written that the true Israel, the true Jew, is all who believe Jesus Christ is messiah and Lord. Praise God. This applies to Jews and Gentiles alike.

Would you please show me in the Scriptures that Jesus used to handle where this is written, and I’ll accept it. If you can’t, show me in your own NT if the person who wrote this was not a Christian, and I will accept it. See what I mean? Sometimes the use of Logic can help find the Truth.

 

[Ben_Masada]

The Jews condemed Jesus for saying he was the Son of God, thus equal to God. They considered this blasphemy.

**Jesus was a Jewish man and not Greek. A Jew would never call himself a son of God in the Hellenist or Christian sense. We know this is idolatry. Change the Jewish man Jesus for a Greek, and we don’t need to elongate this discussion. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

The Law and the Prophets mean: the Word of God as it was known then. I doubt you would read saint Paul’s texts as a whole, trying to put yourself in saint Paul’s mind. Rather you take one sentence and you remove it from its context.
Tell me, have they offered animal sacrifices at the Temple after its destruction in 70 AD (or CE in your case)? How come was your people unable to rebuild it after 1939 years now?

Lapell, I am sorry, and don’t take this as an offense, but I find your question, “Have they offered animal sacrifice at the Temple after its destruction in 70 AD?” extremely embarrassing. How could they offer animal sacrifice at the Temple after its destruction in 70? If there was no longer a Temple to offer animal sacrifices how could they offer them at the Temple? I couldn’t hold myself from laughing at this question.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Well, we don’t go just by Scriptures alone. Where in the TaNaKH is it written that you must go by the Scriptures ALONE? Are you not in some way influenced by at least some of the commentaries of the Sages of Israel? Then even YOU would not go just by the Bible alone…

Now, you are mistaken about me, Lapell. There is no Sage, Jewish or not, whom I would go by. I have read a lot of them. But where I see one who in my mind contradicts the Scriptures, I discard him. “Sola Escritura” is my motto.

 

[Ben_Masada]

This is antichristian non-sense. Of course Jews baptised, Jesus was a Jew, He baptized. John wasn’t called the immerser. This request is just an attack without substance. I could ask you to stop using bce and ace because they mean nothing but are an attack on our faith. You would say why should I. It is ridiculous for us to ask us to change. It is an unreasonable and bigoted request.

Wow! Is that Adrift, the one who taught me about ad hominem? You are denying reality, Adrift. John was a Jewish man and he was never known as the Baptizer but the Immerser. The term “Baptism” originated with Paul and his Hellenist disciples. (Acts 19:5) John was not a Christian. There was one here today who said that even Jesus too was a Christian. Another, some days ago, that Jesus was a Catholic. What is this, a show of jokes? If Jesus and John were not Jews, it could be detrimental for Christianity and the Church.

 

[swariffin]

**Jesus was a Jewish man and not Greek. A Jew would never call himself a son of God in the Hellenist or Christian sense. We know this is idolatry. Change the Jewish man Jesus for a Greek, and we don’t need to elongate this discussion. **

Jesus confirm that He is the son of God in front of Kayafas and his gang

 

[swariffin]

Lapell, I am sorry, and don’t take this as an offense, but I find your question, “Have they offered animal sacrifice at the Temple after its destruction in 70 AD?” extremely embarrassing. How could they offer animal sacrifice at the Temple after its destruction in 70? If there was no longer a Temple to offer animal sacrifices how could they offer them at the Temple? I couldn’t hold myself from laughing at this question.

Did the Jewish in Egypt sacrifice the sheep by order of Moses in a Temple?

 

[swariffin]

Now, you are mistaken about me, Lapell. There is no Sage, Jewish or not, whom I would go by. I have read a lot of them. But where I see one who in my mind contradicts the Scriptures, I discard him. “Sola Escritura” is my motto.

What is your Escritura?